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    Not gonna lie, I read that as “porn industry” and was really confused as to why tf everyone is talking about pigs and animal abuse. Took me a awful amount of time to realize it’s actually “pork industry” not “porn industry”

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    Look where it got us humans by disrespecting animal rights on a massive scale.

    We’re literally destroying the world and a lot of people still don’t care or understand. It’s a damn shame.

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      I mean, is cannibalism really the worst problem here?

      Pigs are omnivores and if the alternative is to throw unused pork/pig parts away, feeding them to new pigs is at least not a waste.

      Depriving the animals of everything they need and genetically engineering them to suffer is far worse in my opinion.

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        I mean, is cannibalism really the worst problem here?

        Humans are omnivores and if the alternative is to throw unused human parts underground or cremate them, feeding them to new humans is at least not a waste.

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          If someone held a gun to your Moms head and then to a pigs head and you had to choose, who would you choose?

          That’s a pretty far off equivalency…

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          It we were living off the good graces of another species who raised us, I guess we’d have no choice in the matter if we were fed other humans, just like these animals

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          Is it possible to eat those humans? If it’s actually nutritious I don’t see a problem, and it’s less wasteful, as you said. Soylent Green operated on this principle.

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              If I’m not mistaken, any properly prepared meat (muscle tissue) should be fine. Most disorders caused by cannibalism happen when consuming brain matter, which, at least for the most part, humans largely don’t eat the brains of any animal…

              I get why people are opposed to it, and I’d never force anyone to eat anything that they didn’t want to. But the fact is, if you only eat the meat/muscle, like we do with other animals, and you prepare it much in the same way through proper handling and cooking, it’s generally not hazardous to your health.

              It becomes a problem when you start eating other parts beyond the muscles… Honestly, as long as we’re not breeding humans for meat, and the individual who has expired is okay with their remains being eaten, then I don’t really see any problem with it personally.

              I don’t think many, if any, people would consent to their body becoming food for their fellow man after they die, but if they did, I don’t really see a problem with doing it, provided proper food safety is considered (as with any meat).

              In general the only time this has happened where people have been pretty okay with the fact that it happened is in cases of extreme desperation, like being trapped on a mountain in freezing cold temperatures after a plane crash, with no food aside from the other (already deceased) passengers… In those cases most of society turns a blind eye saying “they did what they had to do to survive” or some other rationalization.

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                i’d love to have a bbq/funeral were i to die, but unfortunately, in the US, the things you can legally have done with your corpse are pretty limited. basically, you don’t own your body after you die, and neither does anyone else, so you’ve gotta pick from a short list of allowed post-mortem activities.

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                Well additionally, meat is usually best tasting when the animal is more or less culled during the prime of their life, so not only would a young person have to be prescient enough to write a will, but be in the very small percentage of young people who also desire to be eaten.

                This argument, even from a cold logical standpoint, still strikes me as rather nonsensical, as anyone who might actually desire this wjo had thought it through, would have had extensive life experience to come to such a conclusion. This would result in an elderly person essentially saying, “please eat my tough not succulent flesh after I pass away.”

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                  I agree with both your views, with the minor addendum of the elderly being fed to livestock, since they are much less picky about what they eat.

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                  That’s a fair argument.

                  I don’t have anything more to add, but it’s been a very interesting discussion.

                  Have a good day.

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                AFAIK, you are correct. The prion diseases are primarily a risk from consuming brains. However, meat can get contaminated during the slaughtering and butchering process. so eating animals (or people) that have prion diseases is usually strongly discouraged. Especially since prion diseases can take years to show up in people.

                It’s also a problem with Chronic Wasting Disease in deer.

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            I mean, in many cases you could. In many places there aren’t even laws against it. I’m personally of the opinion that we should treat animals similar to how we would treat humans, thus the translation for others to consider the same.

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              Yes and if you read the Vox article the meme is referencing, this is very much not the case. Mother pigs being torn apart literally as factory farm workers laugh, make jokes, and generally make comments you’d hear out of a dramatized serial murderer.

              These practices not only have horrific effects on the animals obviously, but these workers lose whatever shreds of humanity they might have going into it, and I’d assume they have similar sick fantasies about murdering/torturing humans in a similar fashion.

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          Other than possible health concerns, I have no moral issues with eating humans that died from some other cause. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong about it, it’s a cultural thing.

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    So everyone ITT just wants to ignore the fact that pigs are naturally cannibalistic? K cool beans guys

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      Pigs are cannibalistic individually and infrequently, not FORCED on an INDUSTRIAL SCALE

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      People don’t realize how common cannibalism is in other species. Just have a male and female hamster and you’ll find out.

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    I have extreme dietary restrictions that make a vegan diet hard, i try, but sometimes I eat meat. This sucks.

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          You mean those diseases which have never been found to occur in pigs? Yeah. Delicious. I’m not defending this practice, but your reason to be against it is based on a falsehood.

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            You’re right. So far we only know about transmissible spongiform encephalopathies in sheep, goats, mink, elk, deer, cattle, cats, antelope, camels, and humans, they can incubate for decades, and we can only reliably detect prions post-mortem. It’ll never turn up in any other animal, nope!

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          Does prion disease affect pigs who eat other pigs? Is it one of the reasons we are extra careful to cook pork thoroughly?

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            No. The reason that we used to be advised to cook pork thoroughly was because of trichinosis. That is no longer common, so it is no longer necessary to thoroughly cook pork to the degree that it used to be.

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        Bro this isn’t about veganism, I love the taste of bacon too. What I read in that article is absolutely fucked. A small quote:

        Male piglets at the farm have their tails cut off and testicles ripped out by hand without anesthesia or pain relief, both standard practices in the industry. The investigator filmed employees tossing the testicles at each other and at a wall that was covered in them.

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          yeah, meat lover here, it’s real fucked and completely legal.

          These practices are all legal and widespread because lawmakers have made them so. The federal Animal Welfare Act excludes livestock from protection, while many state animal cruelty laws exempt “customary farming practices,” allowing the industry to define what’s customary. Big Ag is one of the more powerful lobbies in Washington.

          In some states, it’s even illegal to conduct investigations like the one featured in this story. From the early 1990s to the early 2020s, a number of states passed “ag-gag” laws, which generally prohibit people from taking videos or photographs on farms without permission. Fortunately, most have been struck down as unconstitutional.

          So… you’re less likely to hear from “preachy vegans” (aka investigations into these abhorrent practices) in the future but no less likely to be eating meat that was fed poop. cooooool.

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    reason 5003 why I try to avoid meat that isnt from the local farm in my village

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      Too late! Farmers very often have to stop sows from eating their own piglets, and they don’t always get there in time. Pigs are naturally cannibalistic in the wild, which is part of what makes them such a nasty invasive species. They’re their own food source, at least in part.