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    “Okay time to look at their post history” “hmm nothing bad… pretty alrigh- oh they’re a communist”

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        Never dumb down humor just because some people aren’t capable of understanding it.

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          A year ago I made a sarcastic comment which most people understood as such, except one other commenter. I took the opportunity to make the most heavy handed sarcastic response I could where I said democrats should vote for SpongeBob and we should all be more like him because he’s a hard worker.

          Apparently that was the comment that needed the /s.

          The real problem, in my opinion, is that when there’s so much toxicity in a network that people need the /s, the network isn’t capable of handling sarcasm anymore. At that point hate has won.

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            It’s hard to keep up, but I try to read like everyone is having a good time. Like hanging out with my friends. It’s a lot easier to not get heated about comments and just enjoy things. Because it can absolutely be easy to get drawn into the toxicity.

            Reddit turned into nothing but toxic and “actually” replies to even the simplistic of things. And that /s was everywhere. So yeah I think you’re absolutely right.

            Also, go fuck yourself.

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        Sarcasm is no fun if everyone get’s it and I genuinely hate /s tbh. It kinda established that you’re always serious when you don’t use it and deserves to die.

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    Remember when people could take a joke not just thin skinned so they have to make it political?

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        He looked pretty extremist to me when he helped the Bush regime lie their way into Iraq. And the guy literally chose a pig to be his running mate.

        Doesn’t get more extreme than that - him pretending to be “nicer” than the more overt right-wingers doesn’t change that.

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        Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.

        No, right-wing ideology has a very hard and clear-cut definition - all politics that protects power and privilege. It really doesn’t get any simpler than that.

        Is being socially conservative right wing?

        It’s not supposed to be… but the only people self-applying the term in the US are fascists.

        Is supporting capitalism right wing?

        Yes. Period.

        anti-racist and pro-trans left wing?

        That’s not progressive - that’s radicalism.

        Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?

        Yes.

        Is someone an extremist if they condone violence?

        No.

        Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally?

        No, that’s radicalism.

        Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?

        No.

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            There is no common ground on these definitions.

            Yes, they’ve spent trillions on propaganda machines to make sure no clear meaning can be ascribed to rather simple political concepts. That doesn’t stop us from discovering their actual meanings at all.

            We both know that different people use these terms differently.

            Yes. See above.

            The German political education ministry for example defines extremism

            Sooo… power will attempt to “define” political concepts in a way that protects itself?

            On the other hand, the ADL defines extremism as any belief outside of the mainstream

            So, again… power will attempt to “define” political concepts in a way that protects itself?

            Meanwhile, the British government considers extremism to be anything opposed to “British values”,

            And… more of the same?

            fact is that they do not have clear definitions

            That’s because “definitions” are utterly useless. What isn’t useless is the meaning without which these political concepts cease to serve any purpose - and no amount of “muddying the water” will be able to rob them of that.

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                But you don’t have the authority over words.

                I have said nothing about authority. You, on the other hand…

                their meaning is defined by usage

                …ascribe those with the deepest pockets and vilest agendas the power to “define” the meaning of terms for you. Fox News gets to “define” the usage of the term socialism as “gubment doing stuff” (or whatever white supremacist nazi crack-pipe logic they are peddling these days) - but that doesn’t rob the term socialism of it’s actual meaning in any way or shape whatsoever. Fox News doesn’t get to wipe away hundreds of years of socialist theory - that’s why their ilk are resorting to burning books. They have failed to strip meaning from ideas despite all the trillions they have spent on their propaganda - so now they are resorting to the age-old tactic of simply attampting to prevent people from coming into contact with said meaning in the first place.

                The exact same goes for what is “left” or “right,” or that which is “radical” or “reactionary” - usage does not dictate meaning. The distance between the usage and the actual meaning of a term merely demonstrates the intelectual integrity (or lack thereof) and/or understanding (or lack therof) of the user.

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      The probability of encountering a “non-extremist” right-winger is exactly the same as of encountering a “non-extremist” left-winger and is quite small. The vast majority of people are moderates, either left or right leaning.

      Also, from the European perspective, the American left aka Democrats are quite right leaning :)

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        Oh look… an “enlightened centrist” has shown up to run interference for the right-wingers.

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          Oh look, a person that cannot distinguish center from right. I wonder how you drive if you can’t into directions.

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            Oh look, a person that cannot distinguish politics from vehicular activity. I wonder how you manage to drive anywhere without ever turning left.

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    Tbh this is what I love with (uncensored) internet. It’s hard to draw the line between sarcasm and mental illness.

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        Nah. Your definition of a Nazi is just anyone right of Mao. This place seems to be where the tankies went after getting banned from Reddit for encouraging violence toward people who don’t want to slob on government’s massive boot.

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          Lemmy seems to be more middle-left with just a few vocal extremists on both sides, actually. If anything the largest ‘extreme’ group i’ve seen here is anarchists, kind of the opposite of communists lol.

          And the groups that do turn into a bunch of ‘tankies’ (slowly stares at Lemmygrad) have been defedrated across almost the entire fediverse…

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            “Both sides”

            -_-

            Also anarchists are pretty opposed to Marxism-Leninism, not communism in general.

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            here is anarchists, kind of the opposite of communists

            I’m going to have to raise my hand here, because I’ve got a stake in it as an anarcho-communist.

            Anarchism and communism are extremely related ideologies. The anti-authoritarian forms of communism are literally referred to as anarchist, and anarchist communists are one of the largest groups of anarchists.

            And this goes back to the start of communism - the term libertarian was brought into use in the 1850s, to differentiate from the communists who thought a violence-wielding vanguard and dictatorship of the proletariat was the best path towards communism (its usage is synonymous to anarchist). The end-goal communist society as described by Marx is an anarchist society - without nation, class, rank, or religion to divide the people. But unlike Marx the libertarian/anarchist wing generally believed that this society could not be brought about through coercion.

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            I think you’re correct honestly but with Lemmygrad defederated like the exploding-heads people they surely make mainstream accounts for the sake of their lunacy being interacted with.

            Maybe it’s my instance of choice but I sure do see a ton of people with authoritarian views pretending they’re just simply leftists when they’re just as unhinged as Qtards.

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        Well, Nazi existed before the internet and would exist without it. They didn’t wait for the internet to enable themselves. There can’t be zero downside for having a 100% free platform, I do agree.

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          Yeah but Nazism spread via propaganda, which is what dogwhistling is a form of.

          The Internet is the largest spreader of propaganda that humanity has ever seen, so it’s not surprising that it helped revitalize neo-nazism and fascism is general. It also served to make satire and actual radicalized behavior harder to detect. A lot of the time, 4chan boards use this “edgy satire” format to normalize the behavior (to an extent). See: the “MAP” misinformation campaign they did and how it reinforced actual pedophilia and demonized LGBT groups

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          Are you completely oblivious to the rise of right wing ideology the last 10-15+ years? The internet has 100% enabled it.

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    Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.

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          If you just browse through your home feed, sure. But actively going out of your way to see someone’s comment or post history because you don’t agree with what they said is childish and frankly a bit concerning. It really shows your character.

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            I do it all the time. I mainly do it to make sure I’m not arguing against a literal child. There’s many reasons why one might look at a person’s post history.

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              I never do, in fact I’m really surprised that a forum that’s supposedly all about privacy doesn’t offer something as simple as hiding profiles.

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            Wow, hmm… This is such a good comment to shitpost under but I’m not sure what angle to take. The fact you seem to be upset people publicly can get on a public website in public and look at the public posts the user posted in a public forum in public is a good one. But also the whole “just because they said a bunch of shit about hating the Jews doesn’t mean you should look at their post history you creep!” is a good one too. Now though, Im just wondering what you have to hide? So… I guess let’s take a look at your post history 🤷

            Edit: Ohhhh… I found it everyone. He/she/they/zem doesn’t want people to know they don’t like LGBT people that much.

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              Oh trust me, if you do look through mine (which I also don’t see the point of) you won’t find much, just me talking shit about android apps

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                That’s not all you’ll find now is it? Apparently you don’t have the greatest view in LGBT people? I’m a shitposter, but not a prick. So I genuinely would like to know your controversial opinions on LGBT and give you the space to say your opinions and defend them. Like why is Pride Month “unwarranted”?

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                And also that time you refused to finish a book series because it had a gay and a nonbinary character in it

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      Dont tell me how to shitpost. If I want extra spicy ill get banned doing it

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      Define punching down.

      Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here

      Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism

      Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don’t work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.

      Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.

      I’m a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.

      So I technically can’t punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can’t know someone’s ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.

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        So I technically can’t punch down on Americans

        Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?

        My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn’t funny, it’s just bullying and it’s sad. It shouldn’t be a controversial point.

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    Shitposters are definitely not innocent.

    I would also replace it with trolls because comments in that territory are consistently on or over the line.

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    The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don’t like the “innocent” jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.

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    We want everyone to have a place to voice their opinion! Proceeds to down vote everything that doesn’t fit their narrow view of the world.

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      The extreme right and I disagree on whether I should live, just a casual difference of opinion.

      Or… no. Fuck that, fuck them, and fuck you?! Let’s go with option 2.