• Caboose12000@lemmy.world
    266·
    1 year ago

    Communism has failed every time it was tried

    so had flying until planes were invented. whether or not you like communism, this is a bad argument against it

    • ViridianNott@lemmy.world
      1020·
      1 year ago

      What do you think the death toll of flight attempts was before the Wright brothers finally got it right? Certainly not in the millions.

      Whether or not you like communism, “keep trying over and over until it works” is a bad plan when failure has historically cost lives.

      • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
        91·
        1 year ago

        Sometime in the future:

        “Okay, our tech has advanced to the point where we can provide plenty to all. Can we abolish capitalism now and just give everyone what they need?”

        “No. That would be communism, and we already tried that 500 years ago…”

        • pingveno@kbin.social
          7·
          1 year ago

          And looking more broadly, how much of any given system’s death toll should be counted, and in what way. Mao caused massive amounts of death with the Great Leap Forward, which arguably would not have happened under a system that relied less on central management and more on capitalism’s distributed feedback mechanisms. Then there were purges, suppression campaigns, and land reforms that resulted in productivity losses.

          But comparing that with a capitalist country that is a liberal democracy is hard. There are a lot of factors involved. Case in point: there was solid growth in China and the USSR. But we can’t make a direct comparison between them and the West. China and the USSR were playing catch up using technologies produced by capitalist countries. Take tractors, which immensely boosted productivity. Those were sourced from the West, at least initially.

          • super_user_do@feddit.it
            1·
            1 year ago

            Stuff like this always happened in China’s history, we can’t just say that he killed X amount of people so it’s bad, we have to contextualize everything. Also, it’s like saying that the American revolution is bad because it killed X amount of people

      • boonhet@lemm.ee
        112·
        1 year ago

        You’re thinking of dictatorships. If economic systems kill people, wait till you hear about capitalism.

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
        31·
        1 year ago

        Representative democracy sweatin’ hard with this kinda logic.

        Otto Von Bismark firmly believed that republics could never succeed, as they tended to rapidly deteriorate into horrible authoritarian bloodbaths whenever they were tried.

    • riodoro1@lemmy.world
      11·
      1 year ago

      CIA had nothing to do with USSR being a failed state. Communism is just as easy to fuck up as capitalism or democracy. People are this way and no doctrine will ever be just as long as humans are responsible for its upkeep.

    • vegai@suppo.fiOP
      36·
      1 year ago

      I feel like you guys are focusing on the wrong thing in this meme.

  • Rozaŭtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    193·
    1 year ago

    Yes, comunism always crumbles on its own whenever it’s tried, not because of CIA-backed fascist coups, embargos or napalm strikes. 🤡🤡🤡

  • argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
    15·
    1 year ago

    Was communism ever tried? In the Soviet Union, PRC, etc, the workers didn’t own the means of production; the state did. Calling that communism is like calling present-day Russia a democracy.

    And yeah, like the other commenter said, a lot of attempts at communism were thwarted by CIA-backed coups. Not exactly a fair measure of viability.