In some countries like India, people just assume that everyone uses whatsapp. It’s gotten to the point where whatsapp has become the definition of messaging (for most people).
I don’t see how Whatsapp is outdated to the point where one would compare it to IE, but I’ll say whatsapp is more like Google Chrome than IE.
Except it does nearly everything any other messaging app does, so there really is no need to force a switch. Unlike Internet Explorer, that used outdated rendering engine making it both slow and buggy, it was unsafe as it used ActiveX, didn’t support ad-blockers it actually broke or didn’t open most new website.
Look, I hate Facebook just as much as the next guy. But I live in The Netherlands and it’s the primary way I can contact literally everyone I know. So changing to another messaging app is hard here.
I’m from the NLs and removed WA last year. What I liked about switching to Signal: people who care about me also installed Signal, so I didn’t lose that. What I did lose? All the groups that I got into through the years, all of which were completely non-essential. If I need messaging with someone outside Signal I just use sms. The best part of leaving WA is that you’ll find a lot of people willing to install Signal for your sake, and that’s how it becomes easier for others to make the move.
Just removed whatsapp a few years ago. If people need you, they will install Telegram!
Then you find out nobody needs you and you get depressed.
Same in Australia. I have Facebook disabled, but I’ve got messenger to keep in the loop
same in India , everyone uses whatsapp even for official communication
Except people at one point realized that IE is shit and switched to better alternatives. I don’t see this happening with WhatsApp - everyone and their great grandfather uses it and all other messengers are niche occurrences
In the EU, Microsoft also got forced to tell people about alternative browsers. Maybe the DMA will be WhatsApp’s equivalent.
Matrix or Signal only for me. nobody uses Whatsapp here in the states, sms is simply insecure in every way, and telegram has very suspicious roots imo, along with a lack of e2ee and a terrible ui.
signal is the most secure option and matrix is federated making it the most “open” option.
Signal was decent when Musk was promoting it. Then they started throwing in new features without keeping the app functional or thinking about budgeting. So now it’s the worst performing chat app, basic functionality like calls are broken, and they want to monetize the app through crypto to cover up their lack of planning.
Matrix is pretty great, but the clients are still pretty bad, also it’s confusing as hell to anyone who doesn’t understand the idea of federation. I’ve tried getting people on element, but every single person needed help to create an account and get to chatting, and they’ve all deleted the app after a while. Also, did matrix fix that encryption bug that was leaking data if someone connected through a different server?
“Nobody uses Whatsapp here in the states”
Man I wish I had your friends. The only non-iMessage app I can get everyone to use is WhatsApp. And I don’t have an iPhone.
I mean, I’m not in any better of a camp. all of my friends refuse to get off discord.
I’m in the states, I know loads of people using whatsapp. I’m in several group chats.
congrats you’re an outlier I suppose. I’ve only met maybe 5 people that know what Whatsapp is. telegram is marginally more popular but only because a lot of drug dealers use it (they would have better luck with matrix or even signal)
I’m surprised with the reactions to this. The only people I use whatsapp with are all outside the US. It’s discord/telegram/sms for everyone in the US and it’s miserable.
I don’t live in the states but most of the people i know there use WhatsApp… Actually most of the people I know anywhere use it lol. I wondered what the basis of that comment was that in the US “nobody uses whatsapp” 🤷… Maybe he meant nobody in his tight inner circle… Or maybe he doesn’t know who’s using WhatsApp because he doesn’t use it
I’ve literally never met anyone that even knows what it is, although I thought it would be obvious just based on how people talk that I was speaking anecdotally and not from literal statistics. I come across Facebook messenger somewhat commonly but never Whatsapp.
Actually totally reverse for me, everybody uses whatsapp and I never hear of Facebook messenger 😅
it’s a lose lose regardless lmao
Yeah deal with the devil or deal with his evil cousin lol
Actual stats say 98 million people use WhatsApp in US, like 1 in 4, but I’d guess it’s kinda regional or cultural…for example probably more in urban areas and I know for sure more in Latino communities lol
Telegram does have E2EE, just not in regular chats. Its secret chats are E2EE, as are its voice and video calls.
I also think it has the best UI of any of the messengers, personally. It’s customizable and very polished overall, at least on Android. Very smooth/optimized while having loads of features and lots of little animations to make things flow nicely without getting in the way.
I do like Signal and Matrix clients as well, though I just wish Matrix had more of a user base.
i think we should stop using this specific variation of the meme even though it’s the original because crowder is cringe
Not simply cringe, but so many faults, there are too many to name. Pick one.
Isn’t he that trumpy guy? I have no idea
Uber Trump guy who also abused his wife. He also loves dressing on drag (no issue with that) despite wanting drag shows banned.
Who the fuck cares. Nobody is going to start listening to him based on a dumb meme, just like nobody is going to start dating bees based on a dumb meme.
I gained a bee fetish from memes’ power of suggestion
Oh myyyy. I’m somewhat of a bee myself.
what did he do?
Well abused his wife for one
WhatsApp seems very conservative with adding new features. I generally feel the features they do decide to add are all pretty useful. Telegram on the other hand doesn’t ever seem to slow down with the new features. Many of them seem great, but just as many I would never use. I’m still wondering why Telegram won’t introduce end-to-end encryption as a default.
e2e encryption makes it difficult to provide fully cross-platform messaging experience, this is probably why they are not looking at it
You can easily implement AES 256 in JavaScript. So you can tap the web framework on any device and run your app on just about any platform.
The problem is, They no longer get signal intelligence from it and can no longer monetize it.
e2e encryption makes it difficult to provide fully cross-platform messaging experience
Why?
I can easily encrypt a message on my x86_64 Windows desktop, send it to my x86_64 Linux laptop, and also my ARM64 Android phone, and be able to decrypt it perfectly.If I can do it then a development team can too.
Why would it be difficult? Encryption isn’t difficult (any more than adding any essential feature would be) and is platform independent. It doesn’t matter what device you’re using, encryption and decryption are commonly used.
They aren’t implementing e2e by default because that would limit the amount of data they collect and sell to intelligence agencies.
The whole sticker implementation is absolute dog shit. How hard could it be to do a half decent implementation with customizable keywords for searching, custom sticker categorization, and backups? I have hundreds, if not over a thousand, stickers and it’s impossible to access them quickly to find the one you want. You end up just adapting to whatever is on your most used list, and you’re stuck scrolling for a while to find a different sticker, which In an active chat group it means you end up reacting super late to everything and the chat has moved on at that point.
MSN and the MSN+ plugin had this nailed down 20 years ago. Even telegram has a better implementation where you just add the entire sticker library for each new sticker; you end up with stickers you didn’t ask for, which is a negative, but everything ends up categorized in SOME way at least.
Its also ridiculous that whatsapp can’t be bothered to offer sticker creation in-app.
Dont get me started on chat participants count limitations and how utterly USELESS archiving a chat is. You can mute the chat and archive it, and a single message will just pop it back to the top of your list, as if you weren’t trying to actively avoid that. And whatsapp has been pretty useless for big chat groups such as big neighborhoods and the like. My HOA hasn’t added me or my friends to the neighborhood chat groups historically due to size limitations, which in itself perpetuated a toxic approach from the HOA where only sycophants are allowed into these groups. Most neighbors are left in the dark over decisions and meetings, which is utter stupidity and has 100% been aggravated by whatsapp’s limitations. Doesn’t matter that they’ve implemented alternatives to this, you try to get hundreds of boomers to understand how to use community chats.
You must live in a huge neighbourhood. Your points are valid, though you can now choose to keep chats archived even when receiving a message. Settings > Chats > Keep chats archived.
Steven Crowder is the wife abuser of the meme world.
I still use IRC daily
I agree 100% with you. Whatscrapp is just a proprietary user subjugating version of XMPP. I prefer to communicate using xmpp protocol because it’s federated like fediverse. You can use conversation for android
As a matter of fact, WhatsApp has been using the signal protocol since 2016.
Signal is encryption protocol, for messaging WhatsApp uses locked down XMPP.
So they only ended up implementing encryption-related parts of the protocol+server combo, like e.g Double-Ratchet or X3DH?
Best messaging app is the one that has most users and is free to use. Sadly the truth is so simple, that’s why everyone in Asia, Europe, Africa and South America use WhatsApp.
I hate this fact about Whatsapp (Asia same story, different clients).
Messaging app that needs to have a lot of users in order to be usable is shit.
No ability to send a message to user of other app should be the biggest disadvantage.
Am in Europe and have never used Whatsapp. In fact, the only guy I know who does started using it because the company he was with at the time had a lot of business in Shanghai where they DO use it a lot.
Asia
Not in East Asia. Japan is all about LINE, South Korea uses KakaoTalk, and China uses WeChat.
WhatsApp is like hemorrhoids, you can try to ignore it but it’s getting your attention eventually no matter how hard you try.
And all the Europeans have it
Definitely tje easiest way to have a family group chat between multiple countries.
Steven Crowder is a garbage human and doesn’t deserve a meme template
Wow… I didn’t know who the guy was.
From Wikipedia:
Early in his career, Crowder worked for Fox News and posted satirical videos on conservative media platforms. He then began hosting Louder with Crowder, a daily political podcast and YouTube channel with commentary and comedic content. It includes a recurring segment called “Change My Mind”, in which Crowder invites passers-by to converse. In December 2012, Crowder and members of Americans for Prosperity were involved in an altercation at a demonstration in Michigan concerning the state’s recently passed right-to-work law.[3]
Crowder’s YouTube channel has been demonetized twice, first in 2019 after repeated use of racist and homophobic slurs.[4][5][6][7] His channel was re-monetized after YouTube said Crowder addressed his behavior and content,[8] and it was demonetized again in March 2021, with uploads suspended for a week, after violating YouTube’s presidential election integrity policy against advancing false claims about the election’s integrity.[9] YouTube suspended the channel again for two weeks in October 2022 for violating its harassment, threats and cyberbullying policy.[10] The channel had 5.86 million subscribers as of May 2023.[11] Crowder moved his show to Rumble in March 2023.[12]
You’re absolutely right. He doesn’t deserve a meme template.
To be fair, Wikipedia doesn’t give him justice. He is far worse. Either he is an utter foul or he is a full blown Nazi. I am not saying “oh i disagree with him, so Nazi” I am saying “he supports white supremacists, ‘race realists’, ethno nationalists, by giving them a uncritical platform and by giving people a uncritical platform who give those people a uncritical platform”
If you want see how Steven Crowder does his politics and a good case towards why I think that way, https://youtu.be/cXZ6BZzQeCQ Steven Crowder wanted to know what a white supremacists is and claimed to feel like people are calling him one unfairly and a guy decided to walk everyone to the thought process of how and why people think what they think.
Chrome is the Internet Explorer of the browsers.
Nah definitely safari
Right, WebKit is the alpha versión of Blink and KDEs KHTML the ancestor
Such a weird statement. webkit is and has been a fully released browser engine for decades, companies forked from it for licensing and profit, not because it wasnt ready or complete (at the time)
Same as any browser engine, there isn’t a new engine since 20 years. Apart of Gecko, Blink and WebKit there are nothing else, apart of some experimental ones, mostly discontinued. WebKit is a fork from KHTML (KDE) and Blink is an improved fork from WebKit.
Op thinks only the USA exists apparently
I stole this meme from a comment🫣
Sooo it’s Internet Explorer in most countries
I’m from india
Yo from india too
Told
