Reminds me of animal farm
My thoughts too, with a pig being opposed
Two legs bad!
Unrelated, but “I can read the Fnords!” Tell Hagbar I said hey.
Is this a memes community? Or a soviet shit hole? I escaped reddit because it was shit and the ultra gatekeeping communists shitfaces, I hate to leave lemmy because of this as well, not many capitalists around this site -_-
I’m deeply sorry that we don’t like supporting the oppression of marginalized groups here
Oppressing people is like 90% of what Communists do. The other 10% is lying about everything.
Oppressing people is like 90% of what tankies that incorrectly insist they’re Communists do.
FTFY.
Yes, as if communism doesnt support opressing literally everyone, you western “communists” are really special aren’t ya?
Love how you just assume I’m from the west. I’m eastern european, my family is also, and we lived through everything - and I’ve yet to meet someone other than western investors and young kids who thinks things are good/better now
How do you oppress everyone in an economic model focused on worker enfranchisement?
…or do you not know what communism means and just belive China, the USSR and DPRK when they say they’re communist?
Sooo there aren’t any examples of communism working but it totally is going to when done right! I could counter with “if capitalism was done right nobody would be oppressed and everyone would want for nothing”.
This really isn’t difficult stuff.
Communism is based on worker enfranchisement and abolition of the commodity form. Where is the inherent incentive for autocracy, and what examples would you care to cite?
Capitalism, on the other hand, naturally favours monopoly thanks to factors including economic power acting as political power, first mover advantage, and economies of scale. Capitalism has no inherent need to even be democratic. Your democracy is polluted by economic influence, your workplace is autocratic. What is there to get right that stops any of this?
… But more importantly, how do you oppress everyone in an economic model focused on worker enfranchisement?
There aren’t any examples of Free Market working either, THB.
… this meme is making fun of the communists here.
I’m genuinely curious - what do you think communism is? There’s been a lot of definitions over the years and a lot of confusion over the subject, so I’m really interested to hear what do people such as yourself think communism really is that makes them hostile to the idea.
You’re not genuinely curious. You are looking for the person’s view point so you can dismiss, ridicule and rebuff it with some half assed bullshit commie revisionism propaganda.
That’s what you lot do, you lie and take advantage of the disadvantaged. That is the REALITY of what Communism is. I don’t give two shits about your 1st year political science student’s view of Das Kapital.
It’s had over 100 years to prove it doesn’t lead to authoritarianism, brutality and oppression. And it has proved the opposite every fucking time.
Completely unnecessary and hostile reaction ☹️
Different cultures, education, experiences and upbringings lead people to have different interpretations of and feelings towards various ideologies. IMO It is only fair for OC to establish the definition first, rather than unknowingly discuss something completely different with the other user.
Responses like this are why a shit ton of users on these platforms do your username and don’t interact with anything
Those damn communists with their
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Asking what your interpretation of the word is so they can actually discuss the concepts
Those bastards!
It was a genuine question, but if I’ve struck a nerve with that somewhere, then I’m sorry.
Don’t bullshit me. I know how you lot operate. I’m not interested in your playing possum in an attempt to appear to be the victim either.
Communist aren’t interested in knowing the views of others. They are only interested in imposing their view of “socialist ideals” onto others.
Hey pal, stress is bad for the body. Can be as bad as chain smoking if you have chronic stress.
Lemmy is full of leftists, and that looks like a trigger for ya. Just be safe out there.
Also, grouping all communists together is exceptionally inacurate. Lots of variety in leftism. Obviously, if you are discussing politics with a leftist they’ll likely want to discuss the merits of “socialist ideals” with you.
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Myself? I like the dictionary definition of communism.
I’m short, worker enfranchisement and abolition of the commodity form.
Edit: Look at the definitely intellectually honest morons downvoting the dictionary definition of communism.
Hey Hexbear, if you’re dropping by, let me know when Russian and Chinese workers seize the means of production.
In the meantime I’m sitting here oppressed in Norway.
Polling says that Norway is #7 happiest country on Earth. Finland is #1, Denmark is #2…I wonder where China is on that list OwO
Damn, that’s a crazy red scare into yellow peril combo.
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Not a commie, but didn’t the Norwegian people nationalize the oil production, leasing it out to companies while keeping a huge share of the profit for the welfare of common Norwegians?
My understanding is that, in a sense, that is exactly what seizing the means of production is about.
That sounds to me more like a merger of corporation and state.
Nope. The people making these policies laid the plans for nationalizing the natural resources of Norway while in German concentration camps, where they were sent precisely because they were socialists. They are the primary reason, along with the discovery of oil and gas, for Norway being one of the richest countries on earth per capita. That the extraction of natural resources is under democratic control and under a somewhat high taxation scheme is not evidence of a fascist state-corp merger, but something that should be the default in all countries around the world to combat imperialist capital interests (except that the taxes should be even higher).
That sounds cool. Can you give me a source?
Sure! There are multiple claims in my comments, but one can get the gist by reading about the first prime minister of Norway after World War II, Einar Gerhardsen. To back up this new claim I cite the same Wikipedia article linked above:
Many Norwegians often refer to him as “Landsfaderen” (Father of the Nation); he is generally considered one of the main architects of the post-war rebuilding of Norway after World War II.
A better source might be SNL (which stands for the Great Norwegian Encyclopedia and is owned mostly by different Norwegian universities) though this source is in Norwegian only, but should be fine to auto-translate if needed.
The idea of public ownership over natural resources is something that has been a big part of Norwegian identity, and this idea is also manifested in other laws such as the Freedom to roam law, which essentially states that it is
(…) the general public’s right to access certain public or privately owned land, lakes, and rivers for recreation and exercise.
Though I would argue much of this identity has been lost in the last 50 years, I am also proud of some of the accomplishments of Norwegian social democracy and think it shows that the idea that “class collaboration is betrayal of socialist values” is wrong. At the same time it is important to admit that there have been problematic parts throughout its development, such as the treatment of the Sámi people and other minorities and the illegal surveillance of suspected communist sympathizers, to name a few.
Means: seized.
Snow: plowed.
Lute: fisked.
Hotel: Trivago.
Controlling the natural resources a country and leasing it out it private companies is pretty standard practice in most non corrupt countries. Norway probably differs in that they capture more of the economic rent in part due to a more efficient tax and a share of public ownership.
Not hexbear but aren’t you Norwegians an oppressive oil state? You guys were bombing brown people for fun a couple of years back. Isn’t Stoltenburg one of your guys? He just admitted to intentionally provoking the Russian invasion.
Oh look! A commie!
Say hi when you meet our little black sparrow-sized drones. All you have to do to earn a visit is mention how we fucked over the Sami, we really don’t like those things. Oh, and don’t insult Jern-Erna if she gets back in power, she’ll divebomb you and leave nothing but a crater. Say what you will about Støre, he’s a soggy twig.
Reads like a parody but there’s a good chance it’s not.
Well they’re from Lemmygrad so that “good chance it’s not” can instantly be elevated to “definitely not joking”.
You what now?
Bruh, we have oppressed people in Norway. Did you forget that our own supreme court ruled that some of our wind mills at Fosen are in violation of UN law of civil and political rights (source in Norwegian). That was two years ago and they are still standing, which is especially bad due to the historical repression and attempts at ethnic cleansing of Sámi people in Norway, that was going on for a disturbingly long time. Now, as a quick caveat I will add that on a global scale we are doing pretty alright. However, that you are fortunate and well, for which I am glad, does not mean that the sentiment of the meme is wrong. Since the 70s much of the good systems we built have been demolished by laissez-faire politics and politicians, like your beloved “Jern-Erna”, lowering corporate taxes and allowing for privatization of public services (our railway system, healthcare and so on). I also don’t think many people from Hexbear are deluded enough to believe in imminent revolution in Russia nor conflating the Russian government with the Communist Party of China (though I might suspect you do), making your comment either worthless or in bad faith (we both know it is both). Either way, I support seizing the means of production and voted for my convictions today. Even though I believe I probably fundamentally disagree with you, I hope you did too. Leave the “all communists are tankie fascists” idea at home please. It only makes you look ignorant and a bad representative for our nice little country.
Every day since the 19th century…any day now
Pretty hilarious to see a guy from a capitalist shithole that’s tearing itself apart acting all smug. Never gets old.
As hilarious as seeing a guy from a capitalist country fantasising over a fake communist country
I love how being able to criticize a country you live in is hilarious for you. Says a lot about you really. Doubly hilarious that you think China is fake communist. It’s such an important cope for westies, cause accepting that a communist country does everything better than your beloved capitalism is a hard pill to swallow.
Fucking hell mate, do you not get irony?
Go criticise the CCP in China and see what happens
I can call the UK govt cunts all day without getting on a list or a visit before the Tory conference
And if it’s going so well, why have they stopped publishing youth unemployment rates???
Hint, the last set said youth unemployment was at 21.3%
China is a capitalist country, why else would they be buying western companies?
https://www.ft.com/content/a940f22f-a79d-4165-9ca2-f15ec218c3b5
My favorite part about you is just how aggressively wrong you are about everything. For example let’s just dissect this bit of sheer nonsense:
And if it’s going so well, why have they stopped publishing youth unemployment rates???
Youth unemployment in China is… perfectly line with youth unemployment in Europe https://www.statista.com/statistics/613670/youth-unemployment-rates-in-europe/
And if you bothered actually reading the shit you post, you’d find out that it counts youth unemployment from the age of 16. Being shocked at the fact that kids are going to school instead of working is of course nothing to be surprised about when talking to a capitalism enjoyer.
China is a capitalist country, why else would they be buying western companies?
This is such a hilraiously reductive understanding of what a capitalist country is. Using your “logic”, UK is a communist country because you still have public healthcare for now.
Lol, it’s in line with basket cases like Greece and Spain. The average is 10% below China’s
Now go look at Chinas property market that’s about to implode.
Check out their deflation risk while you’re at it.
And if you bothered actually reading the shit you post, you’d find out that it counts youth unemployment from the age of 16
Because they’re not in school you fucking moron, they’re unemployed.
Using your “logic”, UK is a communist country because you still have public healthcare for now.
No Tankard, social policies != communism
you keep on coping there little buddy, you’ll need the practice going forward
Love how ya’ll are still coping with the fact that your color revolution failed.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make there to be honest. I’m guessing you’re trying to create some emotional appeal there, but we can find pictures of western regimes committing far worse atrocities today. In fact, US regime alone is responsible for over 300 million deaths https://nyupress.org/9781583679890/endless-holocausts/
Please never defederate commies! It’s hilarious! 😆
It def adds some flavor to the social media political scene
Quite refreshing to see extreme right-wing fuming over actual extreme left-wing, instead of the moderate left-wing they are used to.
You mean neoliberals? Those are center-right to right wing. Just because you’re to the left of fascism doesn’t mean you’re left of center.
I have to admit, their propaganda game is on point
The pig should shut up. It’s time to wake up the sheep.
fuck off tankie
I smell smoke, but do I smell bacon?
I love to start the day with a little bit of revolution and freshly smoked bacon.
Does the rooster have a GoFundMe? I’d like to support their heroic commitment to the people.
I’m south african. My government has the means of production for electricity seized (they own Eskom which has a monopoly.) It is well known that while the regular person has to deal with load shedding, the government officials do not
Add the issues with South African Airways and I would not like all the means of production to be owned by the government
I think perhaps decentralizing the means of production would be a better path.
Owned by the government is specifically NOT “owned by the workers”. That is definitionally not socialism, and it’s not communism either.
I seriously hate how no one even knows what socialism or real communism is… Only in stupid authoritarian “communism” like China do you have the government own much of anything directly. Hell, in proper Communism, there’s not supposed to be much of a government at all. Nothing like the giant armies of beurocrats and politicians most places have today, anyways.
People expressing opposition to the military industrial complex get called tankies these days.
Trust me, you don’t want those amenities in the hands of unelected greedy business men either.
Load shedding is still better than not having any electricity at all because it isn’t profitable enough to manage the power net in your region.
You live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, i.e. a liberal democracy where the bourgeoisie (owners of the means of production) dictate the laws.
State owned companies work for the interests of the ruling class, in this case the bourgeoisie, so you can bet it is subsidized by the people and the ruling class (and their businesses) benefit off it. (Socializing losses and privatizing profits)
If it was owned by say Elon Musk, it wouldn’t be any different for the regular working class people. Only the relations between the bourgeoisie may change.
should be owned by the people
I trust those people even less
You might enjoy the upcoming return to monke, then!
You mean by completely disregarding the power net and other social securities?
