Can I just say, I love the immediate response by admins. I didn’t even see the other posts before this one.
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What was removed by mod?
it’s a picture of an anime girl with a stylized nazi armband
Glad that was removed
Yeah it either wasn’t removed for me or because I’m an admin of my own instance I could still see it anyway
Good
Fuck the nazis
Who knew distributed social media would be such a good idea
Put all the Nazis in one Instance. Then, defederate them.
Provide the URL to the hate crimes division and the January 6th panel
Love to “defederate” Nazis
:)
But only after reporting them to the legal authorities.
Depends on the country, it’s not illegal to be a Nazi in the USA or Canada for example.
But it’s still a damn good indicator they’re up to no good, and probably can be caught by other laws.
They already have a platform It’s called 4chan
And Voat and Gab and Truth
And Parler, which is just as dead as the other three.
See, that’s the thing: there’s a reason why all of the “free speech” (read: nazi safe space) services are either dead or dying. It’s because the nazis don’t actually want their own platform; instead, they specifically want to come infest everybody else’s in order to spread their hate. They’re less a community, and more a disease.
Well, not Voat any more.
Didn’t voat shut down?
Ahh, I wasn’t aware
Out of the loop. Can someone give me a short explanation?
The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like “tranny faggot”. Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call “Joe Biden is a pedo”. They’re throwing a tantrum about how they’re getting cancelled because they can’t smell the shit under their own shoe.It’s not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say “transphobic/homophobic slurs”.
But the words themselves don’t mean anything more than the context they’re used in. I absolutely think you should be able to freely write the bad words that you are talking about to better explain what happened instead of censoring it. It’s obvious that op used it to spread information and not in a negative context, isn’t it?
Yes, there’s a difference between use and mention, but slurs are still slurs even outside of a negative context or without hateful intent.
Repeating slurs isn’t always necessary and can sometimes still be emotionally draining for the targetted group to see even outside of the negative context. Just something to keep in mind.
I completely respect your opinion! And I see where you are coming from.
Like always, the intolerant people expect to be tolerated, and when they aren’t they bitch about free speech
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Sorry for hijacking your comment, it’s the first one that popped up for me when I opened this thread.
If you’re just discovering this post, trust me, it’s not worth reading. The comments are 50% nazis and 50% morons. There is no discourse ahead, only name calling, denouncing, whataboutism, and some really fucked up thoughts and people. You don’t need this in your day. You already know that nazis are bad, and nazis aren’t the only bad people. Go to illegallysmolcats instead
Gab users be like
unfortunately there are a ton of fascists and fascist instances on fedi
We’re making fun of the people. They’re welcome to use the fedi, and it’s for everyone. But they’re still dumbass Nazis lol. We defederate because we don’t want to hear their same copy&paste racist talking points over and over.
Most get fedederated. Once I got raided by Nazis on Mastodon who sent me a lot of dead threats and poorly made anti trans. I messaged my friend who manages the backend of our instance and we defederated like 20 instances that day.
Is defederation the ban of a server from interacting with yours?
If your instance defederates from another one both dont get updates of the other instance anymore which means that you cant interact with any community or user on that instance. I dont know if the content from before the defederation also gets made unavailable or if it is still up.
Most get fedederated.
“fe-dead-erated”
LOL, now that’s a spicy malapropism!
Lol
Nazi leemings… Go fuck yourself!
Some real controversial hot take right here
It was a play on “nazi punks fuck off” and “Russian Warship, Go Fuck Yourself”. But have it you’re way.
NEIN!
Just let them have their of naziverse. I don’t want to see it.
I’m a bit out of loop, are there more info to share about?
There’s a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they’re upset that most people on other servers don’t get to see their hate-speech.
What’s the URI of the defederated server? I want to know in order to stay away from it. Really.
They’re called “communities”, not “sublemmys”. Lol.
Hey man I was barely awake.
“sublemmys” is a great silly name, though
I did a quick check of the frontpage of the server and didn’t find anything that extreme. Can you show me some nazi related posts?
No. Why would I want to?
You’re right. Just call everybody the names you want regardless if they are accurate or not. If it’s fashionable enough it will stick everytime, so who cares right?
What are you referring to?
Everybody in this post is calling the server nazis.
I went there and at least in the frontpage there were only edgy right wing memes and some normal posts. But no white supremacy stuff or something related to that.
So I asked if someone could show me the posts that made them call the server nazis. And instead of a reply, I only got downvotes. Because god forbid you ask people why they consider others nazis.
Oh I love more and more lemmy! Its just incredible they can create their own server full of stupid ideas and we stay away from that drama
What server?
It’s called exploding heads. You can find it through google, but I don’t want to link to it.
Maybe better not say it, so we don’t give them attention
I know people are downvoting because we don’t want to give Nazis publicity, and I agree, but honestly it is good to let people know.
On face value the name can be riot porn like and the tagline about holding elites responsible sounds great. I would have joined if not by a stroke of luck. I came here and afterward heard they were Nazis so I’m glad I missed them but not everyone is so lucky. People should know to be able to avoid Nazis.
if we don’t want to give Nazis publicity then people should downvote OP for making this meme
You don’t just tell someone half of a story
Except that your downvotes are public and then you’ll just be accused of being a Nazi.
This one. (Not a link to the defederated site, rather a link to one of the concern trolls whining about the defederation)
Exploding heads
Exploding heads
All I’ve seen so far was that there was a (inactive) The_Donald community on one of the bigger instances, which sparked a bit of drama…
I’m sorta embarrassed that it’s on my instance. As you point out it’s inactive. Also our community has been very much active in discussing removing them and what to do about them. We are definitely not complicit in it.
and it closed down in 5 minutes
overreaction
Nah, there was another thing. Link here
Definitely a good move to defederate that cesspit
I know of the other things, I just found it funny that that was the one you mentioned
If anyone is overreacting it’s beehaw (change my mind)
Yeah, I’m generally against quickly defederation… But there definitely nothing of value was lost.
All the random posts from that instance that somehow ended up in my “All” board were right-wing and transphobic garbage. And I mean like really low-quality “news” articles, like the shit your racist aunt shares on facebook.
Not to mention, every single user of theirs I saw comments from were just absolute jerks, not adding anything of value to discussions, and just making instances that were still federated with their nazi bar worse places to be. “But you can block them yourself” no. I don’t have time to block 6,682 users. No one does. Saying the solution to dealing with poorly moderated instances is for individuals to individually block other users is the same as saying “let’s respond to this rise in nazism in our forums by doing nothing at all”
Man, watching Nazis piss themselves over not getting the red carpet rolled out for them sure has been popcorn-worthy.
A lot of people seem to just call people they’ve barely interacted with a nazi wtf
some of you need to stop calling everything you don’t like a nazi
oh i’m sorry… you’re actually a patriot and january 6th was a peaceful protest.
I think this reinforces their point. While it’s certainly an extremist group, many of them don’t explicitly identify as Nazis. They are something else that have ideologies that may overlap with Nazis, but it’s incorrect to call all of them Nazis.
It’s important to be accurate and reasonable in these cases. If a group that disagrees with another group makes a claim that is not realistic or simply incorrect, then it makes them less credible, and that weakens their voice.
Additionally, the Nazi party did some nasty, nasty things. If these people are called the literal title of Nazis, then it dilutes the true evil from the history of the real Nazis. You can say they have Nazi-influenced ideologies, or you could call them fascists, but Nazi is a very specific thing.
By the way, Putin overreached the definition of Nazis as a deciding factor in his initial speech about invading Ukraine. I won’t make any commentary on this. Just think about that.
Some of you need to get away from the Nazis before they start burning.
Okay, we’ll call it “woke” instead.
Consider this-the majority of people aren’t using it incorrectly , just to describe people you like?
what a weird thing to say
Pretty bold comment considering many of the people are actual swastika-waving Nazis. Stop defending them.
i don’t think any of you have so much as peeked over there
Oh I have, actually, and I got to see endless slurs, nazi propaganda images, people calling for the death of minorities, and more. But go off
I’ll defend anyone’s right to free speech. Doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Free speech is speech that is protected from government regulation or persecution. This is a private platform, and therefore Nazis and their speech can fuck right off.
So yeah, they are absolutely to spew their hateful speech without legal repercussions, but we absolutely do not have to let them do so here.
Preach my man
Their speech hinders the speech of others, particularly the minorities they are violent against. Therefore, allowing them to have a platform goes against free speech. Your right to swing your fist ends at my face.
What you guys over the pond really should learn sometime soon is that free speech doesn’t mean that you can spew any random vile bullshit without repercussions.
In the Fediverse those repercussions are that your audience will be limited to the instance you chose, which honestly considering the content we are talking about is really mild.
Some of the stuff I’ve seen would definitely be illegal in Germany and Austria, and trust me, we have more experience with Nazis than we ever wanted. We have laws in place to at least try to prevent the resurgence of Nazis and this also affects servers like lemmy.world that are hosted at Hetzner in Germany I believe. Not defederating from these people could cause legal repercussions for the server owner and it’s just not worth it, considering the content we are talking about.
Their free speech is not being violated, just access to a captive audience.
What if I don’t like Nazis?
B-but my disagreement is big! They’re clearly fascists.
activitypub is bad and dumb
