Basically, title, here is a link to the Reddit thread for people curious: https://archive.ph/6mObB

I’m quite surprised with the neutral to positive reactions, which also show that some people will probably never leave Reddit.

  • gunslingerfry@lemmy.world
    12·
    9 months ago

    I’m honestly impressed that Reddit has gone through with their decision despite the uproar. I’m surprised and disappointed they are weathering it so well though.

    • arefx@lemmy.ml
      81·
      9 months ago

      Hey man I’ve met crack heads who are more reasonably sound than redditors

  • UntouchedWagons@lemmy.caEnglish
    211·
    9 months ago

    Based on my usage I’d have to get one of the higher tier of plans. I’m not entirely against paying in theory, but when reddit actively protected subreddits that spread hate speech and misinformation? No I’m not paying.

    • andysteakfries@lemmy.world
      12·
      9 months ago

      Sync for Reddit stopped working as soon as the API changeover happened on July 1.

      The developer rewrote the app for Lemmy, though, and it’s pretty damn good.

    • Octavian@lemm.ee
      1·
      9 months ago

      Subreddits spreading hate and misinformation? I thought they removed the_donald. Were there others they weren’t getting removed? *Just remembered r/sino was pretty extreme.

      • Gerbler@lemmy.ml
        4·
        9 months ago

        It took them like 4 years and an attempt at ending US democracy for them to step in with the_Donald

      • UntouchedWagons@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        Oh there’s definitely more hate subs. I forget which subreddit it was but someone used the k slur for jews and a user on AgainstHateSubreddits posted about how they reported the post to the admins and one of the admins replied that there was nothing wrong with the comment.

    • President_Pyrus@feddit.dk
      144·
      9 months ago

      As a conservative (by Danish standards, in the US I would probably be centrist and probably vote for the Democrats) I would say that capitalism doesn’t work well for every case in a society. In the olden days, people would meet in the town square and use the village posters.

      Those local communities has largely been replaced by the internet today, and whereas the old communities was run by itself with its people taking ownership and responsibility for it with the incentive to make the community as good as possible, today the communities are largely owned by companies with a profit drive. In these new communities the incentive for the owner (the company) is not to create the best possible community, but to extract the most money from it.

      I would say that pure capitalism would be to the detriment to a society. Capitalism is more a product of liberalism (where I am not using the definition of liberalism that most Americans would, but the “correct” definition) than it is a product of conservatism.

      • freebee@sh.itjust.works
        41·
        9 months ago

        In the olden days, it would have been the church and the local nobles calling the shots on the local community forum, staging a witch-hunt or a public hanging event to keep the topics within desired boundaries and squeezing money, engagement and thus community power towards certain projects and not others.

        I agree with the idea of your post commenting on today’s situation in capitalism, but disagree with the imo romanticised idea of how a community forum in the past would have functioned more independent and self-organising

      • banana_meccanica@feddit.it
        42·
        9 months ago

        I think there’s nothing liberal about this. I can decide not to attend a community anymore but the alternatives (as here) will always be shadowed by these capitals, advertising, bot factories, which make it difficult, if not impossible, to have a valid alternative, this is monopolization, that, forced by individuals, becomes fascism.

        • President_Pyrus@feddit.dk
          31·
          9 months ago

          What I am arguing is that capitalism and (classic) liberalism goes more hand in hand than capitalism and classic conservatism. Also, liberalism does not guarantee nor guarantee the lack of monopolies. Monopolies are the result of economics and the industry’s fixed and variable costs.

          That being said, I do agree that monopolism is generally bad for society, as it reduces economic welfare (look it up) by generally reducing consumer surplus while increasing monopolist profit by a lower amount, thus creating a dead weight gap.

          As a last point, somewhat unrelated, I think that it is an insult to the victims of fascism to call anything you don’t like fascism. I know you are not alone with the comparison, but I wish people would stop sorting people as either people they like or fascists. I think that people sometimes forget that the world isn’t inhabited entirely by saints and fascists.

          I hope you have a great Sunday evening though :)

          • folkrav@lemmy.world
            1·
            9 months ago

            IMHO, what most people call “conservatism” today is an amalgamation of neoliberal economics and conservative values.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
    189·
    9 months ago

    It’s not about the money, though. If it was, they would have just said “third-party API access now requires Reddit Gold”, and a bunch of us would still have stayed there, giving them more money (and content) than they are making now.

    Instead, it’s about fundamentally remaking the site to actively drive conversations toward things people pay to hype, and not have those conversations spring up organically. Steering traffic is much harder to do when it can be accessed through third parties.

    They don’t want users creating content around what interests them. They want to charge users to interact with content that advertisers pay to host.

    • Empricorn@feddit.nl
      71·
      9 months ago

      That, and Reddit was being used to train AI. They saw that and decided they should shut off the API unless companies paid, and the hell with all the users harmed by the change.

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
      4·
      9 months ago

      It’s funny that you say they’re driving conversations. Whenever I end up on Reddit because of a search I notice that only the top level comments and very rarely first responses to them are visible.

    • BaronVonBort@lemmy.world
      422·
      9 months ago

      I was a very heavy Apollo user. I was ALREADY paying monthly for it and if Reddit would have released a reasonable API charge structure and worked with devs, I’d have been happy to pay more for it because I used it every day.

      They shot themselves in the foot trying to create a walled garden, now it’s just bots complementing each other in weirdly verbose comments back and forth.

      • banana_meccanica@feddit.it
        537·
        9 months ago

        so if there was an oxygen tax, would you be happy to pay for that? i think this is the problem, the reason why those who can keep the system for the balls (Pay me ten cents for this comment).

        • BaronVonBort@lemmy.world
          301·
          9 months ago

          This is an odd take.

          I don’t mind paying for services that I use that give me information and fun, especially one that I used daily (I pay $10/mo for streaming services I use maybe once or twice weekly).

          I DO mind when they decide to gouge and disrespect the user base. IMO, THAT’S the issue in today’s market - profits above all else, including your customers.

          Services aren’t free. Servers cost money. I get it. If I am a heavy user, I don’t mind paying a reasonable price for it (that reasonable price being close to the 2-5 a month I was already giving to the developer at the time.)

          • Sowhatever@discuss.tchncs.de
            101·
            9 months ago

            Yeah, I was ready to pay 5 or 10 bucks a month, but the way they handled the situation is not acceptable. I just hope lemmy (or some other platform) gets enough of a critical mass that it becomes a viable alternative.

    • August27th@lemmy.ca
      63·
      9 months ago

      They don’t want users creating content around what interests them. They want to charge users to interact with content that advertisers pay to host.

      Digg 3.0

  • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
    22·
    9 months ago

    I got shouted down pretty intensely when relay announced they’d be doing this, and I mentioned it’d been a good run but I was jumping ship, especially vitriolic against the mention of hexbear lol

    i’d used relay for a decade, was a bit sad

    • NerfHerder@lemm.ee
      15·
      9 months ago

      Same. Bought pro the day it released. Was a great interface but once Reddit announced they were digging out, I settled into Lemmy.

  • SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de
    631·
    9 months ago

    Same with Narwhal. They released some days ago their 2.0 App and already mentioned that in a couple of weeks the payment will start. The crazy part (besides the astronomical price) is that you pay for each API request. So every time you upvote, you make an API request and have to pay for it. YOU, the user, gonna pay for GIVING Reddit your engagement. That is crazy. Every Social Media plattform is trying too squeeze out as much engagement as possible from their userbase and now the user has to pay for it too. At this point, the best thing would be to deactive your your up/downvote buttons and comment buttons, to ease on the API requests. The the exact contrary of what the plattforms wants you for. I deleted the App after a decade of usage the same day. Reddit got everything from me. Engagement, Comments and my whole leaning on political and cultural topics based on my votes and comments to build a profile. Now they get nothing out of me. Fuck you Spez.

  • Occamsrazer@lemdro.idEnglish
    291·
    9 months ago

    I vowed to be done with it when it became subscription based, and now here I am. Kind of glad actually, been looking for an excuse for years as the site became more and more stale, unoriginal, and politics began to overwhelm everything. Maybe this is just how it has to be every decade or so.

  • xTechDeath@lemmy.mlаҧсуа бызшәа
    1·
    9 months ago

    Narwhal just recently released Narwhal2, basically a revamped version of their app with some Apollo features. They are also going to be moving to a subscription service and will have 3 tiers based on api usage

  • Airazz@lemmy.world
    24·
    9 months ago

    I signed up here a while ago but continued using reddit because Relay still worked. Now it’s asking for money and there’s no chance in hell I’ll give even a cent to spez.

    • thoro@lemmy.ml
      7·
      9 months ago

      Yep. I kept using Reddit with relay but now I’m going to use it so much less. The official app is garbage and I will never pay a monthly subscription to use Reddit

  • vivavideri@lemmy.world
    10·
    9 months ago

    Well, I guess once relay forces the update, I’m out again.

    There’s a couple subreddits with troves of info I frequent which makes it a hella pain in the ass to access on mobile.

    • cheeseburger@lemmy.ca
      7·
      9 months ago

      I had auto update for relay pro disabled in anticipation of the change, but just tried to open it now, and it forces the update to continue. So I uninstalled. Crazy I’ve used it since the beginning when it was called Reddit News.

      14 years on Reddit was long enough though. I tried to stop scrolling it for years, so I’m happy the changes were more than enough to make my quitting stick.

    • Rekorse@kbin.social
      2·
      9 months ago

      I found just switching my browser to desktop mode was enough to get past the mobile blocks.

    • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
      6·
      9 months ago

      That was my plan but they just cut api access soon after pushing the update. Only updated cause I thought it still had a free option