To be clear: I prefer to pay for things instead of having to see ads but 13€ / month!? For a meta product that has inherently user-hostile design patterns even without ads?
Who does this appeal to?
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If you want ad-free use Instander on android
@hellequin67 With added bonus being able to download pics & vids.
You can also just use the “Following” feed instead of the default “For you” feed, it’s sorted chronologically and doesn’t have ads
YouTube premium costs less than that, and that includes a Music streaming service
Thanks for the suggestion, YouTube.
I have seen SO many acounts praising youtube premium its bonkers, I refuse to believe that many people are paying for it. ItS gOt GrEaT mUsIC AnD I cAn SuPpOrT mY fAvOuRiTe CrEaTorS. same script every time.
You can believe whatever you want. Google Music sent me a free Nest Mini back in the day, and paying for YouTube Pro is right now the cheapest way of having voice activated ad-free playlists on it.
But feel free to give me an alternative “script” that gets similar functionality for cheaper.
Shrug, I spend $22 for family. It is a fantastic value when you get music+yt for the whole family.
Fuck the music. I pay for it just so I don’t have to see any ads when I’m trying to see a 2 minute movie trailer or an hour long tutorial. Worth it.
Yeah, quite frankly I watch so much that it’s just worth it. I don’t use other streaming services, so it’s fine for me.
To people that use meta and pay to have no ads… Which seems that you were already looking into paying…
I wasn’t looking into paying for it. This popped up upon opening the app.
It is actually a hard paywall. They won’t let you use the app unless you make a choice between the two. I chose to uninstall
Best choice
Just stop using Instagram. I quit mainstream social media (Facebook, Instagram, Reddit,…) and the experience has been quite cathartic.
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As much as I’d love to, it’s not exactly easy when you rely on it for business :(
How many followers did you have and how many friends of yours were using the app, if you don’t mind sharing?
I had about 150 friends on Facebook when I quit. I’m quite recluse say so I didn’t really interact with them much.
I’ve been off of all social media for about a decade, but just yesterday i got a dm from someone from my past so i went and checked it out and then I checked a bunch of other stuff there too and my mental state instantly spiraled into a terrible place. Man that shit is toxic like nuclear waste.
Lemmy is social media too, don’t forget that.
Same same, but different
No it’s not. Social media is where you know who the other person is and/or they know who you are. This is an anonymous forum, not social media.
Most definitions of social media are some form of “sharing content for the purpose of socializing in a public manner”. I wouldn’t think having a real life identity linked to your account would be a requirement for a social network. Why wouldn’t reddit, lemmy, or even an old school forum be considered social media? You’re sharing and discussing content on a community platform. I dunno, just something I’ve been thinking about recently as I’m using lemmy more.
Social media are interactive technologies that facilitate the creation and sharing of content, ideas, interests, and other forms of expression through virtual communities and networks. While challenges to the definition of social media arise due to the variety of stand-alone and built-in social media services currently available, there are some common features:
- Social media are interactive Web 2.0 Internet-based applications.
- User-generated content—such as text posts or comments, digital photos or videos, and data generated through all online interactions—is the lifeblood of social media.
- Users create service-specific profiles for the website or app that are designed and maintained by the social media organization.
- Social media helps the development of online social networks by connecting a user’s profile with those of other individuals or groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media
Lemmy fits those criteria very well, and there’s nothing regarding anonymous profiles vs identified profiles. It may not be the only definition of social media, but it’s comprehensive and sensible.
Then email is also social media, Google docs is social media, phpBB is social media, Amazon review sections are social media, even Pornhub comment sections are social media, and so on…
If Lemmy fits the criteria, then so does 95% of the internet. Not a very useful definition, in that case.
Yeah, I guess under that definition any web-based application that allows for a person to create an account/profile and generate and post content is a form of social media. That makes sense when you consider that they’re media that allow for social interaction.
What’s your definition of social media? Genuinely interested because I’m not sure that there even is a single definition that can be agreed upon.
I think the whole public vs anonymous profiles thing doesn’t really stack up, as I can create profiles on Facebook, Instagram, X, TikTok etc and provide no identifying information about myself, much as I do on Lemmy. I can also choose to add a profile picture and info about myself to identify myself on Lemmy if I choose, much as people do on other social media.
If your definition only includes those platforms that force you fully identify yourself in order to maintain a profile, that list will be pretty small and exclude a lot of sites that the vast majority would consider to be social media, including the ones I’ve named above.
Go try and make a fake Instagram account.
You might be able to create profiles anonymously, but you can’t use those services anonymously. They only work if you have other people added as friends or whatever, unlike content aggregators like lemmy or reddit, where you can be as anonymous as you want and still interact with all features of the site.
I think that narrows it down enough. If you can use all features of the platform without personally knowing anyone on it, it’s not social media.
It’s not talking to people that’s damaging. Being able to socialize and discuss via media is healthy.
The damaging component is when an algorithm pushes unhealthy content because it drives engagement.
No one set out to create a rage/depression/anxiety algorithm, but those emotions tend to drive engagement better than more positive experiences. So if engagement is the goal, you get destructive systems.
Removing the algorithm does a lot for helping people engage with their peers and society at large in a more constructive context.
I did too and, while the benefit are higher than the loss, I usually feel really left out from one kind of partecipation to society and it’s a bit sad.
13 euros a month… hahahahahaaaa
A number thought up by some yank that doesn’t realise that’s what our whole fuckin internet connection costs each month 😂
Wait you guys get internet for €13/month? cries in Canadian
How much are you paying, Canadian?
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About $40/mo. for 100mbps for wifi. Cellular, I share with my girlfriend who gets a discount through work, we share 200GB for about $150/mo.
Indian here. I pay approximately ₹2000 = 23 Euros for 200 Mbps… WiFi.
I get half and pay double, and thought that was quite reasonable
What are your cellular plans like?
I get half and pay double
I see…
What are your cellular plans like?
I have two SIMs, both have a plan for ₹666 = 7.5 Euros, 1.5GB per day, for 84 days…
There’s also a ₹1699 = 20 Euros plan for a year, 2.5GB per day.
€20 per year? That’s crazy. My girlfriend and I share a plan and combined pay almost $150 (about €100) per month (so $75 = €50 per month each)
To be fair… It’s not always at great speeds… But the coverage is great.
India has so many users that it’s spread thin amongst the billion+ people we have here.
At least in Germany you can’t. I feel your pain, my canadian friend.
At least home wifi isn’t as insane as cellular here I guess. We get American ads on the break room TV at work, their cellular plans are pennies compared to what we have to pay north of the border
Don’t let the ads fool you, there are so many hidden fees that the real price is basically double
I’m paying €44 a month for mobile broadband in Ireland 🥲
No ads on Mastodon
No friends there either.
Well to be fair I’m still enjoying Mastodon a lot and Pixelfed too (which is the better Instagram replacement) but pretty much everyone I follow is somebody I don’t know in real life. Instagram is great to see what your extended circle of friends is doing.
That’s how it is during the first few years of social media. When left Twitter I had 75K followers but only knew about 20.
Technically, no reason why there couldn’t be. You could even have ad bots follow you to send you targeted ads.
I’ve just taken the app off my phone and use adblock when I’m on the desktop browser version. I still need social media to post my work out there (I get clients that way), but I don’t need to look at it 100 times a day.
It’s honestly been a big quality of life improvement to take all my social media off my phone. Been a month or two now and I really miss it a lot less than I thought I would and who knows how much time I’m saving.
this doesn’t seem legal. at least - it god damn shouldn’t be
They don’t want you to pay. They set the price artificially high to discourage you so they continue business as usual while complying to the laws. The price is a PITA charge to make it worth their while and to still profit from the ads they would have shown you.
I’ve never used IG but I feel like it would be a $3.99/month type of service. This price just tells us they are making way more than that serving ads or that your ad data alone is worth a decent bit of cash.
It’s a $0 per month type of service, even without ads.
It’s a -$10/month type of service, they’d have to pay me in order to use it… and they’d still be making money on the data and ads.
They set the price artificially high
Actually… it’s likely only slightly higher than what they get from ads per user, and still lower than what they get from compiling and selling all the information you agree to give them.
Users tend to severely underestimate how much their cumulative data can be sold for.
It’s disappointing that they only exclude the information use regarding ads.
So they will still track everything users do and profile them, just like any other free user. And they can sell to everyone else who pays for user data (e.g. AI learning, market research etc.). With that wording, they could even sell to ad companies, if they e.g. use the data for some algorithm optimisation in their tech department. So they leave the door open to keep selling the data to 3rd parties, while already charging the user ‘starting at’ 12.99€.
Maybe 13 cents
Don’t sell yourself short, you’re worth more than that, I believe in you… being able to generate tracking data worth more than that.
imagine paying for social media like facebook and youtube? lol
I’d pay a reasonable price. I’d even use it for not personalised ads.
Instead I uninstalled all platforms from meta and will only be using it on my PC periodically and in a private tab.
Once facebook killed messenger lite I was content with letting all my friend conversations die on there.
Eh, I‘d do it if it meant the services respected privacy and actually put the users first.
Paying for what these big services currently are? Hell no.
They definitely coordinated this and did it with all the other social media. Is nobody buying their data anymore? Brave of them to straight up admit they’re using your data for ads though, and they’re implying it’s a bad thing.
This is happening because of some issue meta was facing in the EU regarding ads, privacy, et al
I have absolutely zero faith in Instagram’s ability to manage this. They can’t even handle account access right. I use IG for business (I’m a performer) and have been locked out for a month with full access to my Facebook, email, authenticator app, phone, other accounts - you name it. Their shit is just straight up broken and throws error messages when trying to log in.
Meta is absolute shit when it comes to supporting their users. I “deleted” my original Facebook account that I started in 2005 (you can’t actually delete an account, only deactivate it, which is bullshit) around 2008 or 2009, and created a new one. Somehow someone started posting diet ads from that account about 13 years later (about 6 months back).
I emailed support and said someone had hacked my old account and was posting diet ads as me, but I no longer had access to the account because it was supposed to be removed over a decade ago. The profile pictures of both accounts were clearly the same person (me), the email addresses were the same, and so were the displayed account names. Support said they couldn’t do anything about it because they couldn’t verify that I owned the account that was posting ads! 🤦♂️🤬
I sent them a response that pretty much said “are you fucking joking right now?!” and didnt get a response back, but the ads apparently stopped.
You would have to pay me 13 Euro a month to even consider using this platform
