I’m one of the people who has stopped coming here. I’ll keep visiting occasionally but the lack of content and pro-east/anti-west rhetoric is just as irritating as the maga/conspiracy crowds on reddit.
Yeah… I’ve also never watched star trek, or used Linux, or had Firefox and browsing is all that.
I’ve done all of those but none of them are interests of mine. I like the odd reference but linux is an OS… it doesn’t get more boring than that for me.
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Large portions of Lemmy feel similar to places like /r/sino on Reddit. Personally I like to look at that stuff from time to time just to keep tabs on that flavor of propaganda, but it’s pretty detached from reality.
Do you visit here/Reddit for some news alongside other stuff, or more other stuff than news?
If the latter, you can somewhat avoid the rhetoric back & forth by blocking out a lot of the news communities, but then you do run into the general content problem more (especially if you’re also blocking memes).
I’ve been looking for more specific subjects now but generally I just browse active/top/hot all. Reddit is getting really bad…
I won’t lie. I mostly don’t engage with content I see here. I didn’t do that when I was on Reddit either and mostly for the same reason: I don’t really have much to say and, even when I do have an opinion, I don’t usually want to engage in what’s often a protracted debate about something that will probably just end up being frustrating.
That’s not to say I haven’t had positive experiences on the Fediverse - I’ve had more here than anywhere else - I’m just not particularly motivated most of the time.
I do most of my discourse on Beehaw which is protected in many ways. When I used reddit I would often have a comment typed out ready to post and think better of it since I knew it would only drive dismissive and antagonistic responses of the stupidest kind. It may be because of the protections or it may be because of the smaller community but I find a lot less posturing and a lot more actual conversation since I’ve been using this platform. This is what keeps me here rather than reddit. It might be worth engaging in conversations you wouldn’t have on reddit when you’re interested.
I agree… Beehaw is such a wonderful and special place on the internet. I have an account there but I try to keep it separate from my main Lemmy.ca one so that I better hold myself accountable to the server rules, in order to foster nicer discourse.
I’ll happily participate with light-hearted content but otherwise I mostly feel like you when it comes to any polarising topics like politics, etc. I wish there were more content about my areas of expertise so I could participate in that but alas there’s mostly developer stuff only. Maybe I’m also not doing my best curating my feed since I tend to mostly browse all.
Well, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts.
There are a number of thread topics on Lemmy that seem to keep going the same direction (Google, Musk, Gaza, Trump, Windows, etc.), and as you say, it can be frustrating and exhausting…
At the same tine on Lemmy, I had found articles that were worthwhile reading, updates to FOSS that I would have otherwise missed, no shortage of silly memes, and a handful of new perspectives that were positively thought provoking. Those let me look past most of the negative things and stuff that is pervasive on all kinds of forums, Reddit and social media on the whole.
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I see more people complaining on Lemmy about problems than I do the actual problems they’re complaining about.
Just use the thing, and put the content and comments you want on it? You don’t have to be a passive observer just staring out the window as monkeys dance for you. Be the monkey. Dance how you want. Eat a banana. Fling poo if that’s what you want. Just stop expecting everyone else to create your dream routine and then having a sook because they step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-paused when you wanted them to step-pause-turn-pause-pivot-step-step.
I believe I have the same experience you have, I think others have a different experience and it makes me curious as to why, I think there might be something interesting there and ignoring it or treating it minimally doesn’t seem to be ideal. If there’s a different kind of lemmy experience or set of interactions, I want to know, what is it?
GOOD post
Feels Very circle jerky here. Its low effort commentaries on political issues mostly and extraordinarily little growth of niche interest subs. The lack of content here helps curb my doom scrolling, so that and a real hate for reddit leadership and the pathetic Simps that think writing “fuck Spez” while still contributing content to his network for free is a form of effective protest, are all that keeps me here though.
“Newl and
active“currently arguing” should be the only sorting options. New promotes activity and the other is entertaining.I would be on here more if you could block entire instances. If its possible at this point, its not as straight forward as mastodon.
Lemmy v0.19 will have this feature
Yeah I wish I could silence the star trek instance. I don’t want to block them though, they’re nice people. I just have never watched star trek so I have no idea what any of their posts mean, so having them in my feed is not desirable.
Now I understand how my friends feel when I talk about Halo lore.
When you first saw Halo, were you blinded by its majesty?
Blinded?
But yes absolutely. I vividly remember the first time I saw that menu at a friend’s house. Actual core memory for me
I love star trek, so I love that instance, but Lemmy.world feels like its replicating the toxic discussion style from reddit. I’m not here because I loved reddit but hate what they did to it. I have hated reddit for years, I am here for a completely different thing from reddit. The slrpnk instance and the Lemmy.ml are the main instances I want to interact with. If there are other anarchist instances in the future, I’d like to interact with those, but ideally keep the toxic bullshit to a minimum.
Some of the apps can do that (Connect for one), but it isn’t a core Lemmy feature yet.
Wtf is Misskey?
It’s a (mostly) Japanese Fediverse social media network with a fuckton of cute emoji reactions, static and animated.
Screenshot
Firefish (was Calckey) seems to be based off of this.
I prefer social media not based on addiction. Lemmy has been much better for my lifestyle, than my reddit addiction.
this is an excellent point. perhaps the slowness of the content here is helping those of us who’ve been on reddit forever and are used to just doom scrolling through endless content.
i spend less time here but I feel I get more direct ‘value’ when I do. it’s more small business feel than condy nast breathing margins down the user community’s throats(pre and post gold eras)
I quit the R word cold turkey re: API and now toggle between this and kbin but lemmy with eternity app has been the best baconreader withdrawal breaker for me.
to the fediverse and beyond!
Yep! Great points!
Another big point is that it’s a rejection of the profit motive, ie there’s not even a “small business” feeling like you say for me, but a far more genuine feeling. Nobody has tried to sell me anything here yet.
you’re right, but I have seen some of the hustles from outside setting up shop here.
if the audience becomes large enough, there will be marketing.
unfortunately inevitable
So true, lemmy provides me with just enough stuff to feel like I saw enough memes, got some news, etc. but then I can just put it down and do other stuff. My interneting / doomscrolling is waaay lower than it was before.
Do we have stats so we can compare dates of drops in active users against defederation events? Every time a major instance defederates I resist the strong urge to abandon the defediverse.
This defederations are so stupid lame. Lemmy.world is the worst
It doesn’t help that every feds response to literally any perceived slight is OH MY GOD DEFEDERATE NOW. Kinda defeats the purpose and advantage of the fediverse.
Hexbear still going strong though. We’ll be here after every else continues to splinter and defed from each other I’ll bet
Or ya’ll could try not to be unbearable assholes constantly. Or not, because others can just defederate, which is actually a nice advantage of the fediverse.
Lmao Hexbear defederated from sh.itjust.works and lemmy.blahaj.zone, in both cases with extensive theatrics and drama for essentially no concrete reason. Y’all literally defederated a server that is run by a trans woman as a safe space for gender diverse people because you claimed it was transphobic 😂
Yeah, you’re really going strong over there, no splintering whatsoever.
We literally defederated from a server that our trans community fairly unanimously said was harming them yes. Are you saying that we should have ignored our entire trans community?
Shit just works kept actually threatening our community so I appreciate our mods defederating from them too. Not sure what you think a “good” reason is if you apparently think “threatening actual material harm on a community” is a bad one.
All of this is clearly laid out in the posts about the defeds, which you could go read for more information. You won’t. But you could educate yourself instead of spouting complete nonsense
I have read them, and there is no evidence. You clearly don’t need evidence over there, anything a hexbear account says is the absolute truth, and anything from another server is absolute fascism. You guys don’t concern yourself with the details or nuances in life.
Let’s have a look at the defederation announcement about sh.itjust.works. Keep in mind this was less than 48 hours after you voluntarily voted to federate with us, expecting to abuse and overwhelm our userbase like you had already done to many smaller servers. Unfortunately, you didn’t realize that we were larger than you and thus less susceptible to being drowned out by the brigading, which led to a quick tactical retreat by your fearless leaders.
https://hexbear.net/post/504353
Firstly, opening up by calling us sh.itsfulla.chuds and sh.itholefor.nazis. Very mature and rational behavior from an admin 👏
Multiple instances of ableist and homophobic slurs directed at our users
I personally witnessed a hexbear user throwing a shit fit about people using the word “crazy”. Apparently that’s an ableist slur. Woopdee-doo
overwhelming litigiousness against even the most innocuous comments by our users, and just a general ethos of reactionary behavior. We’re done and out.
Lmao, I guess my point is self evident here. A lot of big words that convey absolutely no information about what specifically was objectionable about the behavior of sh.itjust.works users. I’d love if you could explain to me how “overwhelming litigiousness” and “a general ethos of reactionary behavior” are grounds for defederation 😂
I have also read the things that hexbear users have said about everybody else, and quite frankly they are the most nakedly racist and xenophobic comments on the entirety of Lemmy. Imagine having the gall to use the most hateful and dehumanizing language towards white people as a matter of principle, and then turn around and get all butthurt at a “racist” meme of Xi Jinping as Winnie the Pooh. Try to rationalize that one for me, because I can’t seem to figure it out
Oh God he’s white and thinks people can be racist against him
Hilarious. Good luck with middle school, you’re gonna learn a lot!
You’re a hateful person who’s making the world a worse place. Learn to empathize.
Who, precisely, do you think I hate? Do you have evidence for that?
A comment to show I’m here!
Most people have never heard of Lemmy or the Fediverse and were not invested one iota in the API Fiasco because they don’t know what API stands for and they normally use the official mobile app.
So the Fediverse has an uphill battle. For the vast majority of Reddit users, Reddit still does everything they need it to and there’s no great call to migrate over. People that are only peripherally aware of the Fediverse may also think it has something to do with blockchain technology. The technological savviness divide grows larger by the minute.
Infinite growth is not a good thing, numbers rise and fall just let it do it’s own thing. That being said, maybe if the Lemmy instances would stop defederating like children snatching toys from one another at a daycare it would get more engagement.
How do you think they can better address the problem of abusive users from other servers?
Read the comments thread of ANY of the “we defederated from” posts and it’s always the same “They were annoying tankies” shit. It isn’t a matter of abusive users, they have tools for that. They just want to allow fash shit to fester unopposed by the people capable of disarming it.
Just look at any instance that has hexbear and lemmygrad blocked. Their culture is already starting to decay into becoming reddit nazi bars.
I mean how did it work on Reddit? You banned the abusive users.
That wouldn’t work on Lemmy because one can make infinity user names on an instance without CAPTCHAs (or any other throttling).
And even then, Reddit tended to allow a lot of trolling.
I’m pretty sure the complaint is about instances that do have captchas/some kind of verification enabled but still being defederated.
So why doesn’t the “offending” server just ban them itself?
as a realist, allowing porn would do wonders ngl
What? There already is porn. A lot of it.
Depends on the instance.
this ‘instance’-shit isn’t helping Lemmy grow tbh
The main reason lemmy isn’t growing is because of the userbase. Alot of the things I say are opinions. But this is just a fact the userbase is incredibly toxic. Especially folk from lemmygrad and prehaps lemmyml lemmyworld instances as well. A good marjority of 4channers are less toxic than a good chunk of lemmy users I would say
But this is just a fact the userbase is incredibly toxic.
Most egregious case of projection I have ever seen. Why is anyone upvoting this clown?
That sentence makes no sense. That’s like saying “this ‘website’-shit isn’t helping the internet grow tbh.”
Instances are Lemmy. They’re all seperate platforms that just so happen to share stuff and use mostly the same code. It’s just people hosting their own social media sites.
The
instance shitmeans that no single entity holds all the power over Lemmy.This ‘instance’ shit is the only reason lemmy got popular in the first place
I’m here because reddit is fuck and my favorite reddit app converted to Lemmy, and I’m certain that was a bigger reason for lemmy’s popularity growth than instances ever was
See my other reply
No it got popular because Reddit pissed a lot of people off temporarily. The only thing segregated instances does is confuse and upset the average person. Hell I host like 10 different alternative open source front ends for various websites and I fucking hate Lemmy instances. It makes Discovery new content unbelievably tedious.
What if I just want to browse communities? I can only do that on a per instant spaces, I have to go to that instance go to its communities tabs to browse and then if I find something I want I have to take its address and then go back to my own instance so I can subscribe to it with my account. That pisses me off and makes me not want to bother with it let alone the average user.
The sad state of reality is that centralized systems will always eventually get turned into corporate greed money machines but decentralized instances are by their very nature just shit and hard to work with and no one wants to put up with them.
the whole process needs to be improved, it’s ridiculous as of now
Agreed, it was a steep learning curve just to even figure out how to use it. The concept of Lemmy is amazing but like you said, finding content is very unintuitive.
I think if there was some kind of database or reference for instances and the communities they have, it would be way easier to find what you’re into. Somebody way smarter than me should look into that ;)
If it wasn’t for instances, lemmy would just be lemmy.ml, filled with tankies, and unable to handle more than 10K people. You would never have joined.
The reddit exodus only caused people to leave reddit, not join lemmy. There have been dozens of reddit alternatives over the years and many of them were around at the time of the reddit exodus. Why do you think they all failed?
@kewwwi@lemmy.world
It’s the foundational concept of lemmy, and the main protection against enshitification.
I joined a porn instance to fill the gap and trust me, you’re not missing out on anything
I am still on Lemmy. It’s still my primary timewaster. I was clean from Reddit until a few weeks ago and I relapsed. The app is shit. Lemmy feels more like what I loved about Reddit but without the content. Reddit still has content but the app doesn’t feel good to use.I m stuck going back and forth. First to Lemmy then to Reddit. I’ll stick with Lemmy until it gets better or it dies.
When I don’t feel satisfied with Lemmy I try to go back to Reddit too, but I was so mad at them a couple weeks ago I uninstalled their app and now when I tried to install the app, they give me a list of my former BANNED usernames as an “option” to log in but they offer no option to log in under any of my VALID usernames. (Yes I do have some accounts that haven’t been banned but they won’t let me login to my good ones.)
The only options they give me are to sign in with Google or a previous banned account. They clearly don’t want me there. which is probably a good thing because this evening I went to the gym instead of wasting time on this… What should we call it… discussion format?
