• TheOakTree@beehaw.org
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    It’s the exact same shit as people complaining that CRT is “white-blaming.”

    No, the problem isn’t inherently who you are, the problem is what you’re complicit in doing.

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    tbf, every actual neo-nazi is probably doing everything they can to further piss off Israel. It’s just a convenient opportunity is all, if someone is actually a hater.

    They’re not anywhere close to the majority, the majority just wants to save lives. But they’re loud and sometimes clever, and good at hijacking other people’s causes.

    Both anti-semitism and anti-arabism exist, and both are bigotry, because all Jews and all Arabs are not the same, and will never all be the same. Any more than all Americans are the same.

    It’s a hard world though, right? Means we’re going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it. That’s just how hard it is, and how little it cares about anyone’s wishes for it to be simpler.

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      Too many people see the world in black and white. You are either good or evil. Every person is both good and evil, but the media and propagandists want you to see one side as pure evil. Obviously it works because I see these kinds of posts everywhere. I don’t see it getting any better since everyone carries a handheld propaganda machine with them all the time.

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        Yeah, and you’re just pushing your own moderate agenda, but I’m not buying into your rational thought bullshit.

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        So, in YOUR opinion, there are good things about Nazis. Good fucking job showing the world what you truly are.

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          I’m someone who knows that every person is both good and bad, and it’s a struggle that every one has. Looking at things as black and white, and every human struggle as being a fight against good and evil is a very misplaced, and dangerous way of thinking.

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      In a shitty ironic way, many neo-nazis are showing their really true colors as neo-fascists. They just want to support genocide and at this point, Jews are whiter than Palestinians, and they just want that same thing to happen against Black or Arab people around them. I’m happy to continue to use the word neo-nazi, but it’s a much broader spectrum of shittiness at this point.

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        I generally agree. When I pull out the specific term neo-nazi, I’m referring to an extremely specific brand of bigot. The kind that probably has Hitler saluted themselves in the mirror before. Hardcore, not some filthy casual bigotry.

        Not the guys that will bully and call names, the guys that would kill if they could. That’s their desire, murder, so long as they can get away with it.

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        Part of it is there’s at least two competing factions of crazy-talkers. One is the Book of Revelations types, I don’t know exactly how its supposed to work, but they want the second coming, and it’s supposed to happen over there and be ushered in by chaos.

        Other is Jewish conspiracy theory types, who just like seeing what they perceive as the ultimate “ruling class” brought low. They don’t really need any holy book-type religions, their actual religion is just worldly power in all its forms–a depressing confluence of ignorance of what actually makes people strong, and pragmatism towards what it seems like makes people strong to them.

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        Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who interpret it as referring to racist hatred directed at all “Semitic people” (i.e., those who speak Semitic languages, such as Arabs, Assyrians, and Arameans). This usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus (lit. ‘antisemitism’) was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a “scientific-sounding term” for Judenhass (lit. ‘Jew-hatred’),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.

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          Germans with poor latin doesn’t change the meaning of words. Just like claiming something is “erroneous” doesn’t make it so.

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            The meaning is “anti-Judaism” though. You’re the one wanting to define it differently. Be my guest, but it’s just good to know what the term means when people use it.

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            “Anti-” is a Greek prefix and semitic is a French loanword (“sémitique”) with a Hebrew root (שם - “shém” meaning name).

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      It’s a hard world though, right? Means we’re going to need something better than simple, easy tools to wrestle with it.

      Reminds me of this: “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong” - H.L. Menken