I heard stopping eating meat can help climate issues but I don’t think we have to stop eating meat we just need to start eating the rich. The other other white meat.
Everyone who’s been listening knows we’re royally screwed. Things are not changing the way they should, so, rough times are ahead of us. It was nice while it lasted. Take care, people.
Things are changing. It just takes time. We’re pretty much at peak carbon by all indications.
Nice attempt at distracting from the issue - the tail effects from the GHGs already emitted is enough to change life as we know it.
CO2 is also not the end-all-be-all of climate change - we have huge methane emissions coming from melting permafrost, oceans, and icebergs that are 80-87x as damaging (ton-for-ton) than CO2.
At least I’ll finally get to win the argument with my dad about if climate change is real or not.
That’s a Pyrrhic victory if I’ve seen one
If he is in 2023 still arguing it, then he is type of guy that It will take only two days of snow until he calls you to ask where „your global warming is now“.
I loved waking up to this knowledge.
Should’ve woken up earlier. Then it could’ve been the 4th shitty thing you’d heard today and it would’ve stung less.
If I’d have woken up earlier I wouldn’t need to go to bed. At least that’s how it felt.
What now? Nothing seems to help to get the population and politicians to care
What now?
War, famine, death, breakdown of society, collapse of civilisation, rise of warlords, etc.
Yes obv but what else can be tried to stop it?
Honestly the protesters that everyone hates kinda have the right idea.
And yet I get asked by people why I have anxiety and stress when reports like this come out.
I don’t even know why they bother publishing the same fucking articles every week. At this point people are numb to the information.
They aren’t numb, they just don’t give a shit. Never did.
Sure there’s a solid chunk of the population who doesn’t give a shit and doesn’t believe there’s a problem to begin with.
But a lot of people do give a shit but are realistically powerless to effect change. Turning all your lights off and walking to work isn’t going to change shit. It’s big business that is mainly at fault here. They’ve just spent years brainwashing everyone to think that if we don’t leave the water running while brushing our teeth it’s magically gonna solve all our problems.
So what are people who can’t make an actual dent in the problem to do with a weekly “ANOTHER TIPPING POINT HAS BEEN REACHED” sort of article? It’s basically noise now.
My realizations over the years:
Even if we make our cars less carbon-polluting by 25%, if we end up driving more, we could still end up polluting more.
Even if the western nations pollute less, developing nations will still pollute a lot more and will get us to tipping points anyway, albeit perhaps slightly slower.
Global warming effects are scary, but what’s worse is global cooling and Ice Age. Once the ocean’s balance is messed up by diluted salinity due to melted ice caps, who knows where this can go.
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Haha! You believe in morality!
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It’s not that simple to electrify with renewable. We’d need to mine wayyyy more copper for wiring. We’d need to produce wayyy more rubber for insulated coatings of all those wires. We’d need wayyy more transformers. And if every garage in America has a car charging in it, then we’ll need wayyy more batteries and We’d have a lot more load on our electric infrastructure. In the end, we’d still need fossil fuel infrastructure to account for when the sun’s not shining and wind isn’t blowing.
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That’s great for them, I hope it was worth it in the end. And that would work great in a desert and southern California, but it won’t work to well in most of the USA due to weather.
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Then why is it over $35k to get them installed on a house’s roof? And still I’d need to be plugged into the grid.
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Even if the western nations pollute less, developing nations will still pollute a lot more and will get us to tipping points anyway, albeit perhaps slightly slower.
Ehh, it’s worth noting that developing nations tend to pollute a lot less per capita. And as they develop they can transition to cleaner forms of energy, as they gain the economic ability to do so.
Pointing at developing nations is a convenient excuse for developed nations to avoid taking the actions we need to take.
We should be subsidizing renewables in developing countries so that they never have a reason to use fossil fuels in the first place.
Personally I’m of the opinion that tipping points should not be a focus. I think people have reached a level of fear saturation, and no more fear can influence the system, it just precipitates right back out. While you can replace one fear with another, this can be inoculated against with faith, which is fairly accessible and common.
I think we need to actually take a page from Biden here, and stop pumping fear and consequences, and start pumping hope. Our stick is so waved the thing is fraying, but our carrots are underutilized.
Guys like Elon Musk, of all fucking people, are beating us in the hope dept. How the fuck did that happen?
Agreed. Everyone that cares already knows. Those that don’t care aren’t listening.
It’s time to write about workable solutions for those who care. What we can do to prepare, what we can do to mitigate, and what we can do to survive in this new world coming our way.
Because the truth has limits on how hopeful and how simple it can be. Whereas the lies of billionaires have no such limitations.
I agree with your point that the messaging isn’t working. But pushing hope without radical reform of our current systems is basically just trying to diffuse the reaction to the facts without actually changing the facts leading to the reaction.
Agreed. But I think we need to focus our attention away from actual solutions to major problems, and onto minor solutions to minor problems, that will give us a footing for actually being able to take steps forward again.
We need to fight the battle right in front of our faces, instead of focusing on our more standard long-term views. Otherwise we’re going to be strategically and tactically outmaneuvered by people that follow fewer rules than we do.
It’s a feasibility and priorities consideration.
The problem with that being that the “minor solutions” aren’t really solving the problem. We’ve been doing “minor solutions” for many years now, and we have only accelerated in our destruction of the environment.
We need drastic change. Failing some deus-ex-machina-esque invention that quickly and cheaply solves the issue with no sacrifice needed, then we have to be demanding radical change. If that isn’t possible, our other option is to just fail and die.
Are we supposed to be really excited about one of our apocalypse options?
You should check out the history of apocalypse forecasting. It’s almost as amusing as the long history of “kids these days” complaints.
Both are bullshit, however. People just like whining and fantasizing about things they don’t like being punished.
