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BotDefense is wrapping up operations

TL;DR below.

When we announced the BotDefense project in 2019, we had no idea how large the project would become. Our initial list of bots was just 879 accounts. Most of them were annoying rather than outright malicious.

Since then, we’ve witnessed the rise of malicious bots being used to farm karma for the purpose of spamming and scamming users across Reddit and we’ve done our best to help communities stem the tide. We spent countless hours finding and reviewing accounts, writing code to automate detections, and reviewing appeals (mostly from outright criminals and karma farmers definitely running bots, but we typically unban about 4 accounts per month, and unlike similar bots an unban means that we unban the account everywhere we banned it).

Along the way, we’ve struggled with the scope of the problem, rewritting our back-end code multiple times and figuring out how to scale to the 3,650 subreddits that BotDefense now moderates. We came up with new algorithms to identify content theft, reduce the number of times we accidentally ban an innocent account, and more. In January of 2023, we added an incredible 10,070 bots to our ban list which now stands at an incredible 144,926 accounts.

Like many anti-abuse projects on Reddit, we’ve done all of this for free while putting up with Reddit’s penchant for springing detrimental changes on developers and moderators (e.g., adding API limits without advance notice and blocking Pushshift) and figuring out workarounds for numerous scalability issues that Reddit never seems to fix. Without Pushshift, the number of malicious bots we were able to ban dropped to 5,517 in May.

Now, Reddit has changed the Reddit API terms to destroy third-party apps and harm communities. A group of developers and moderators tried to convince Reddit to not continue down this path and communities protested like never before, but that was all in vain. Reddit is so brazenly hostile to moderators and developers that the CEO of Reddit has referred to us as “landed gentry”.

With these changes and in this environment, we no longer believe we can effectively perform our mission. The community of users and moderators submitting accounts to us depend on Pushshift, the API, and third-party apps. And we would be deluding ourselves if we believed any assurances from Reddit given the track record of broken promises. Investing further resources into Reddit as a platform presents significant risks, and it’s safer to allocate one’s time, energy, and passions elsewhere.

Therefore, we have already disabled submissions of new accounts and our back-end analytics, and we will be disabling future actions on malicious and annoying bots. We will continue to review appeals and process unbans for a minimum of 90 days, or until Reddit breaks the code running BotDefense.

We’d rather be figuring out how to combat the influx of ChatGPT bots flooding Reddit, temu bots flooding subreddits with fake comments, and every other malicious bot out there, of course.

At this time, we advise keeping BotDefense as a moderator through October 3rd so any future unbans can be processed. We will provide updates if the situation changes or if we have any other news to share.

Finally, I want to thank all of the users and moderators who have contributed accounts, my co-moderators who have helped review countless accounts, and to all of the communities that have trusted us with helping moderate their subreddits.

Regards.

— dequeued

TL;DR With the API changes now in place, we no longer believe we can effectively perform our mission so we are sunsetting BotDefense. We recommend keeping BotDefense on as a moderator through October 3rd so any unbans can be processed.

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      As an aside, Sharon’s writing has really improved over the last couple of months. I guess the whole Reddit drama has really given her something to get stuck into at Ars

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    Let this be a lesson to all devs out there. Never do work for corporations for free. Only contribute to FOSS. Devs are the backbone of the internet and before the fediverse there was no outlet for them to work on actually distributed platforms as opposed to libraries and utilities. If you want to do work on a social platform do it on the fediverse where you don’t have some heartless corporation exploiting your free work and not appreciating anything you do.

    Reddit should have been paying their own devs to do this themselves. This is literally millions of dollars worth of dev work.

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    Let this be a lesson to all devs out there. Never do work for corporations for free. Only contribute to FOSS. Devs are the backbone of the internet and before the fediverse there was no outlet for them to work on actually distributed platforms as opposed to libraries and utilities. If you want to do work on a social platform do it on the fediverse where you don’t have some heartless corporation exploiting your free work and not appreciating anything you do.

    Reddit should have been paying their own devs to do this themselves. This is literally millions of dollars worth of dev work.

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    1 year ago

    👏👏👏

    Honestly it will obviously be up to you guys but I think you should pull your support right away. The faster Reddit goes downhill the faster apathetic users will think about alternatives. But either way thank you for the work you did and for joining us on Lemmy!!

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      NOOOOO everyone who likes Reddit and spez is a bot NOOOO :marseysoycrytremble:

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            Regardless of whether you like Reddit or not why would you like spez? He’s a horrible business professional who idolizes a worse business professional.

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              I know, right? It’s lovely to see a real, genuine, bona fide dickhead in the comments. God bless you Slacker, you fucking moron.

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            Spez, the honorary moderator, pimpdaddy awarding public defender of r/jailbait? That spez? You’re off your rocker, bro.

            7,000+ subreddits and their communities demonstrated that they don’t like spez or what he’s doing to reddit. You are objectively wrong.

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      Le Reddit is finished take #1000000000000000000. I’m sure Reddit will fall any day now, any day as it continues to thrive

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        You’re really determined to plug your ears and drown out a sentiment that permeates reddit itself, nevermind the big media sites picking up this whole debacle.

        Reddit isn’t thriving. It’s not even profiting, the ceo said it himself.

        Your thesis of this being a nothing-burger is disproven by the simple fact that you’re here, in a rapidly growing social network (because of reddit) on the comment section of a post stating the exact opposite of what you want to desperately believe.

        Look in the mirror, bro.

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    Anything that lets them pretend things are going just fine and user activity has never been higher. Especially if the bots view ads.

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      When 90% of the value of your company is created by a small group of unpaid volunteers, it’s not a good idea to piss them off. That said, the repercussions from all this will take a few months at least to be analyzed.

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        Especially when ChatGPT bots are on the rise… Reddit couldn’t have picked a worse time to alienate the BotDefense team.

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    I reported a bunch of spam-link bots, porn-bots posting CSAM-adjacent stuff, and a slew of stuff that was very obviously and blatantly in violation of Reddit ToS.

    All the links/content remained and my account got suspended for “abusing the report function”. Considering the content I reported, it’s a safe guess that Reddit admin and moderation teams benefit from having such material on the site. Not sure how, or why. But their actions seem to indicate something.

    Then you look at the controversies Reddit has had… that one dude’s suicide, Ghislaine Maxwell holding a powermod position on front-page subs, the powermod controversy wherein a dozen or so mods had thousands of subreddits under their control.

    There’s also been a huge attitude shift. While most of it seems the same, there’s a very strong anti-American presence now that seems to make sure they fit that sentiment into every thread whether it’s justified, related, or completely out of place.

    The Reddit algorithms or whatever also seem to love pushing certain topics to the point of stripping it of any/all meaning and turning into propaganda.