I don’t know why I even bother opening the settings app
I wanted to open “devices and printers” and it opened some bullshit in the settings app and it didn’t tell me the model of PC I have, then I clicked on “more information” or something like that and it opened the old “devices and printers” like I wanted in the first place.
Not all new things are good, Microsoft. Don’t fix what isn’t broken. I know new features make the shareholders jizz in their pants, but I want my system to continue working the way I need it to work. I’ve had to go out and get quite a few third party apps just to get around all the bullshit you keep changing for no reason.
Ah yes. Well when I want to modify my IP address I do:
Win+R
Then I enter:
Ncpa.cpl
And hit enter. So easy.
Not so easy is the more useful printer settings:
Win+R
Then:
shell:::{A8A91A66-3A7D-4424-8D24-04E180695C7A}
🤦🏻
Wtf bro what does that even mean
This is how you open the dialogs you’re looking for instead of randomly clicking through 4 items deep in this new crappy UI
New crappy UI that was also reorganized about 4 times since Windows 10 launched, so depending on how old of a build (and with Windows update breakage it could be quite old!) is on the computer that was just dropped before you you might have to click for a while
I mean, is it this: A8A91A66-3A7D-4424-8D24-04E180695C7A? No common name?
its faster to change the ip using the win11 settings app than with Control panel, also DNS over HTTPS is missing from control panel and only available in the settings app
I am really going to miss the old settings when they finally remove what is left of Control Panel. So far they have removed things or moved shit to force the Settings app. But they keep failing to make the new things have anywhere near the level of control. The power settings from Control Panel still matter way more than Settings and seem to actually stick when applied. And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time. Fucking right-clicking on the networking icon on the taskbar and picking “repair” would actually get shit working again 8 times out of 10. But just seems to be a placebo at this point. There are still so many times that using different resets in Internet Options fixes more stuff I see regularly than the resets in Settings->Networking.
And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across. Just a glorified verification of the failures I already know are happening. I never thought I would so badly miss being able to tell Windows Update to ignore updates if they were bugging out (not to avoid them all together but at least stop the OS from just constantly going through the motions of installing and failing during each reboot/shutdown). So many of the updates that used to give me issues were really either down to them trying to install out of order or due to a fuck-up on MS’s end that pushed bad updates.
The push to so deeply embed these AI models into everything so fast is really pissing me off. Shit is known to have issues with just outright making shit up. Which is IMO reason enough to not be adding them to end-products (especially since the end-products are also still not finished with removing old versions of things). One thing that really worries me in my job with fixing people’s PCs is the AI and search that pushes web content (and the now inescapable placement of ads) above local resources/programs/settings/etc. The main issues people have aren’t actual viruses like in the past. It is the massive levels of scams and fake alerts followed by fake “repair techs.” If the average person is so easy to trick when it is people scamming them. AI is going to blow shit up waaaaaaaay worse and will be able to do it so much faster and completely. Average people are still under the impression that these AI chats are giving completely real and accurate information (reminds me of how people used to believe that if something was said on TV that it was real).
Shit is fucked and going to get much worse at a dramatically faster rate due to rushing things in order to make as much money as fast as possible. Even Microsoft used to ship things in a more complete state. But gaming has made shipping broken products completely normal. So no reason to care about keeping any level of quality.
And I just really have no idea how they have made stuff like resetting networking/connection issues worse over time.
While I generally agree with your comment, they did add an option (don’t know how long it’s been there) where you can right-click on the Internet icon, click the troubleshooter, and there’s a button immediately right there in the troubleshooter to reset the adapter.
Oh man your whole comment speaks to me.
And the newer Troubleshooting options never fix any of the Windows Update issues I come across.
I was fighting with this just last night. Ended up having to follow an official Microsoft guide on how to shrink my system partition by 250MB, remove the recovery partition and set up a new one with 250MB more space just so that windows update could actually install the newest update. Fortunately I enjoy dicking around with my computer and can afford to make a mistake that might trash my windows install but for others that rely on their machine this stuff has to be daunting and frustrating.
I was honestly excited about the new Settings when Windows 10 arrived. I was a Windows sysadmin for more than a decade and am intimately familiar with control panel and think it sucks. I hoped Settings would modernize and streamline. But here we are, so many years later, and many common tasks still lead us to control panel. Such disappointment.
Because Microsoft went full Apple and adopted the “we know what’s good for you so don’t defy our decisions” philosophy of UX design.
As much as I hate apple, at least apple also caters to power users somewhat. Windows became so, so dumb.
A a Windows and at some points a Mac admin, all I gotta say to that is lol, no.
Whatever you say mate. There’s a reason developers who don’t Linux use macs and not windows.
Because it’s based off of BSD and uses very similar tools to Linux, and because of brainwashing of the Apple cult I guess.
Overall, OSX is a piece of shit OS that is shit to work on. I lasted a year before I just gave it back and got a Windows machine, most unintuitive frustrating OS I’ve ever used. Sure the hardware can seem nice (if it doesn’t break or if you don’t need anything repaired or replaced) but OSX is trash. If you want to use something, use Linux, there are tons of good distros and all of them cater to the power user.
I work on OSX build machines every day and the amount of time I have to waste fiddling to get the simplest shit to work is insane. Fuck I hate it so much with every fiber of my body. I can’t even use any cli utils to get disk or network stats because of their dumb security BS, which you can’t disable because it’s cloud hosted.
Then why don’t you use Linux? Going from Mac back to Windows is absolutely pathetic.
Because I like Windows, and calling it “pathetic” is like saying OSX is for power users. Lol, just, lol.
I’ve been in the industry for 18 years, I went from an MS Systems Engineer building and managing MS infrastructure for all size companies and enterprises. I’ve been an AWS Cloud Support engineer working mainly on Linux and AWS, I’ve been a devops engineer building and maintaining on prem build systems and web server farms (these used IIS and everything was MS) for a company with insane uptime requirements, I’ve also done similar on AWS with K8s and a whole bunch of other stuff. I’m now a Systems Engineer in a build team for a big company and my primary responsibility is to build and manage the OSX infra we use. During that time I’ve had enough experience of trying to deal with OSX and all it’s BS, which included using a MacBook for a year, that I can say unequivocally that Apple is a shitty company with shitty practices, and Linux can be a pain in the ass to fix when things break in strange ways. But you know what I love about Windows? It just works, I rarely have any issues. If I need Linux, I use WSL or start a VM in the cloud or my machine. I can run pretty much everything I need without issues and I’m a master with PowerShell so can automate anything I need to do on my own PC.
But you know what? You’re completely right, my career is a failure and I’m pathetic because I use Windows. I should go kms now.
The difference is that Apple usually executes it well, and Microsoft doesn’t.
You set a Windows PC to dark mode, half of the system is still bright white. Apple wouldn’t dream of doing that shit.
You start searching in the start menu, it’s slow, gives you different results each day, misses a bunch of stuff, and tries to send you to Bing. Apple wouldn’t dream of doing that shit.
Microsoft comes up with a new UX, but it’s only a thin veneer, most of the system doesn’t even use it and instead uses Win7 or earlier menus. Apple wouldn’t dream of doing that shit.
For all their flaws (and believe me I know they have many. I don’t intend to ever own an Apple product), Apple actually gives a shit about having a polished and consistent UX.
They wouldn’t have a dark mode that still leaves half the system white, they wouldn’t have 20+ year old UI cruft, etc.
The issue is that Apple had that mentality from the start. Microsoft tried to Frankenstein it in after the OS had already matured under a different UX philosophy, not only that, they also didn’t commit all the way to changing the philosophy since they still wanted legacy support. They basically ended up with the drawbacks of both philosophies and very little of the benefits of either.
They went full WEF
It’s not that because Microsoft is changing their own UI. IMO this is the typical corporate climber problem all corporations have. No one gets promotions maintaining software. So you get designers changing stuff for the sake of change so it can go on their resume.
I don’t know what Apple did but they murdered System Preferences and made us all watch as they pretended the mutilated corpse with a name tag on still dripping with middle manager cum is better.
no bro just go into terminal and type out this arcane command with 20 options fr fr . easy! (and I use linux on the regular lol)
Slightly better than editing some plist file
*unwilling
Like why is it so hard for them? The underlying settings database doesn’t have to change, only the UI. Unless it’s all so messed up nobody dares touch it.
Based on the progress from Win7 to Win8 to Win10 to Win11, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” doesn’t seem to be a prevailing mantra at Microsoft.
Wait till you see the enterprise side where you may find a panel that is virtually identical to something from windows 2000
What do you mean? You can still open control panel from XP/Vista and basically every option menu still points to the same shit that hasn’t changed since Windows 95. Go open device manager and go to the properties of any device and you get like XP stuff at newest. Event Viewer, Disk Management, and many other high level panels haven’t changed from XP.
90 percent of windows menus are still the same as 2000, even on the consumer side. And they’re not virtually identical, they ARE identical.
You misspelled “Windows 3.1”
Lol, honestly, that’s probably fair. My memory basically ends at 95 though and I don’t remember any 3.1 menus well enough to make a call on that distinction.
Never doing a code rewrite gives you stuff like this: a 15ft long nerve that should only have to travel a few inches
That nerve looks like a weirdly deformed phallus
How do you know it isn’t?
Sure, but you can refactor code without completely changing or removing functional and widely used features. Especially looking at Win11 vs. Win10, it just feels malicious at this point. “How can we shoehorn in more advertising, AI and telemetrics?”
Also that win32 is the basis of Windows, and most devs these days don’t understand it as it is a pre c++ kinda-sorta-in-the-right-angle Object Oriented language.
Win32 is an API, not a language.
And it’s way post-C++.
It most definitely is not, kernel is still mostly C, other components mostly c++. I wish they would be using something like Rust, that would save me from so many vulnerabilities that I need to fix :(
Edit: oops, you were talking about the api. I was talking about Windows. You can use many languages with the api, of course.I was talking about the fact that Win32 was made a decade after C++.
I thought this was intentional? They have control panel stuff somewhat similar to the old style, but build a settings app for the less technical people so they can find common stuff without getting overwhelmed?
No some things have been removed from the control panel
I wonder if those removed things are still in god mode though, might have to check that
God mode?
Control Panel menu that contains links to lots of stuff in detail
It is called God mode in the Windows users community
Not quite. The two menus also have different settings in them
It is intentional but not like that, Windows is built on backwards compatibility. That’s why so many parts of current Windows versions have seemingly parts of old versions tacked onto them.
The guy who made it has a YouTube channel called Dave’s Garage
The dude who made the Task Manager? God damn, this dude singlehandedly carries Windows holy shit.
He also made a lot of the other good shit iirc. He did an AMA on the other site a few years ago
Not only task manager, but the ability to open up zip files inside the regular explorer folders was him too.
Made them on his own time and sold it to Microsoft, back when that was possible.
Dang those are some of windows’ best features
As I’ve heard this explained, enterprise admins have scripts, and to a less important extent muscle memory, tied to Control Panel layout and command lines, and that’s not a group you want to irritate.
I wish home and pro version influenced the setting panes. I get what they’re trying to do with making it look like OSX and Linux and why the “network interface and adapters” probably isn’t helpful for many home users, but I just wanna manage my interfaces here.
I think Network and Sharing Centre was more useful than the shit we have now.
According to Dave Plummer, a retired Windows Engineer, there are actually bugs in some of the windows components because he intended for them to be temporary solutions, like the CPU or Hard Drive usage numbers had to be Massaged to be lower than 100%, for example. When the Task Manager doesn’t respond you can actually use Ctrl+Shift+Esc to queue up a new Task Manager if the old one doesn’t revive itself. That stuff hasn’t changed since 1996.
He also wrote the File Formatter, which has a file size limit of 32Gb for the Fat32 format for the same reason: it wasn’t supposed to be permanent, but it hasn’t changed for over 20 years. The concept at the time was that Cluster Slack would make a large drives like a terabyte more than 99% wasted space in the format, so 32Gb was arbitrarily chosen as a limit.
I went to go disable my nic.
It needed a reboot to take effect.
The fuck? I only want to turn it off because I’m testing something and I need a change of ip to test an application and I’m feeling lazy, so I turn off the nic to go to wifi. Good enough? Nope.
So stand up and unplug the cord.
Cool. Switched over. Test didn’t work as expected. Plug cord back in.
Next day computer reboots for updates and I’ve got no internet. Go crazy trying to figure out what it was then remember it needed a reboot to disable the nic.
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I went to go disable my nic.
It needed a reboot to take effect.
The fuck? I only want to turn it off because I’m testing something and I need a change of ip to test an application and I’m feeling lazy, so I turn off the nic to go to wifi. Good enough? Nope.
So stand up and unplug the cord.
Cool. Switched over. Test didn’t work as expected. Plug cord back in.
Next day computer reboots for updates and I’ve got no internet. Go crazy trying to figure out what it was then remember it needed a reboot to disable the nic.
file size limit of 32Gb for the Fat32 format
The limit was a 4GB limit, tho
They’re talking about the overall size, not the per file size limit.
The limit on formatting drives as fat32 is 32GB on windows though anything above 32GB and you have to go find a 3rd party tool to convert larger disks to fat32
fyi Dave was involved in some scareware bullshit as one of the main actors and sued for it. Fuck this guy.
Thanks for looking this up ❤️
Very unfortunate to hear. I wonder how much of his YT Channel were lies?
I aggree. I really liked his videos until came across this info (back then on reddit).
He also wrote the File Formatter, which has a file size limit of 32Gb for the Fat32 format for the same reason: it wasn’t supposed to be permanent, but it hasn’t changed for over 20 years.
I was thinking about this recently, so it is a bug, not a feature
I mean, it was intentional in a way, so the definition of bug is hazy, but the functioning version would be the ExFAT format.
But the problem isn’t in Fat32 itself, as you can format larger disks in that format just fine
Yes, the final line of my comment explains that, it’s just that the cluster size in Fat32 has a lower bound so if you have files smaller than the cluster then they take a whole cluster, and that can lead to cluster slack that is vast majority wasted space.
If it has been a bug for 20+ years, we can safely say it’s a feature for backwards compatibility.
I’ll have you know windows has changed.
Now you can’t move the task bar
Is this real?
ya
But why
Because F*CK THE END USER THAT’S WHY!
For real though, the end user isn’t the client anymore. The user is just cattle in the data collecting herd that they sell to their real clients, advertising and whatnot.
Coding is hard I guess. Gota focus on all that telemetry.
It’s really annoying my task bar has been at the top since workbench 1.1 and I used it to differentiate work and personal pc at a glance as they often share screens for comfort at home
Since Windows 11.
Username checks out.
wow, microsoft is really putting all the me-repellants into windows 11 aren’t they
well you still can move the icon’s back to the left atleast
I just reinstalled windows and spent 30 minutrs trying to figure out how to get the normal taskbar back, with label text not just icons, and Jesus wept it turns out
THAT ESSENTIAL FEATURE IS GONE
I am flabbergasted. I don’t know how anyone can use their PC without knowing what windows they have open and easy access to them. It’s insane.
I downloaded my usual start menu replacer in the end, which it turns out had also saved my taskbar at some point when they make this insane change, and I just hadn’t noticed.
That’s not even mentioning that when windows first installed it had all the icons in the MIDDLE for some insane reason. They must be smoking some strong stuff over there.
I clicked the button in the bottom left, you know, the button that has always been the start menu button, for 30 years, and it brought up the weather or some shit.
When you have to start searching for the start menu you know you’ve fucked up. Christ it was awful.
I know they make a big deal of saying “Windows 10 will be our last numbered windows release” but I really hope Windows 12 fixes all this crap.
Even more recently, my right click alt menu has become weird and much more annoying, hiding the actual menu I want behind a “see more options” button, and I can’t even use the keyboard to scroll through options and hit return to select one like I have my whole life. No, for some reason that menu is mouse only, and doesn’t even have keyboard key shortcuts.
They’re just stripping core features out left and right, and making everything harder to get at. It’s madness.
What next? They’ll get rid of the desktop?!
im not trusting going past 11
win11 has labels tho, you’re lying
In 11? I know I still can in 10.
bro I’m so happy that the last windows i set up was 2015… i remember every time the excruciating 1h set aside to click and confirm and authenticate privileged access and pull slider etc… no sensible way to just run it in terminal, at least not that i know of. and nowadays there’s this useless right-click menu that hides the real right-click menu and you can only fix this by finding a registry key 😂😂😂
I’ve got fed up of them changing how many hoops you go through to get to the old settings so I have the .cpl commands memorized that work no matter what computer you’re at
Appwiz.cpl ncpa.cpl for common examples
21st century Windows developer: “Hey! You know what people REALLY want in a text-based Office Suite? VERY very light gray text on a white background!”
On the other hand, it should be 7% black (gray) background for 100% black text, and inverse for dark mode.
You go deep enough and very Windows 95 looking menus pop up. Like are they building over the old system? It’s all very strange.
Yes, actually.
Well, it’s more like they update the old stuff and still add new stuff on top of it. That way, generally speaking, Windows can remain compatible with older programs.
There’s some even older UI bits buried around in there:
At some point last year I had a Japanese program launch a popup window that was clearly from pre-NT Windows. So bizarre.
That looks to be an Access prompt, from the MS office suite. If you’ve ever written a macro you know how ancient the UI looks behind the scenes with those apps, and this isn’t even a main line office app since it deals with databases and they push excel to work with sets of data like that.
So yes it’s a Microsoft product, but it’s not really native Windows and it’s not an app that makes a lot of sense to spend a lot of time developing.
Just for accuracy’s sake. I’m certain there are better examples.
Anyways, I’m perfectly fine with dated UI as long as it’s efficient and does what it’s supposed to do. If they perfected this stuff way back when you had one chance to ship out a working product, is it really necessary to reinvent the wheel just for aesthetics? Cause that’s how you get a neutered settings app instead of a fully functional control panel.
there’s a menu in windows from windows 3.1
edit: someone already mentioned it
yes they are, actually. Backwards compatibility is a huge thing in Windows, it’s why you can’t name files certain names such as CON, and why you can find things from 3.1 etc. still.
Fun Fact: Every single Exe today still checks prior to running whether it is Barbie Riding Club (1998) or can it run normally?
Because when you update your OS and your game breaks - you don’t blame Hasbro, you blame Windows every time. You can’t just call up Sierra Games and ask them to update - they don’t exist anymore and so you must carry everything forward - bugs included.
That fact does seem really fun and interesting. Why barbie? Got any links so I can read up on it?
I googled a bit, and perhaps this statement comes from this old Reddit thread here in the first comments.
There it’s mainly used as a joke to describe how Windows is just very backwards compatible in general. The story might have stuck and warped a bit as like it really had a reference to that Barbie game.
Well, I did find this.
I couldn’t find a reference to Barbie in your link, or am I missing something?
No, I’m just saying that compatibility databases do seem to exist, and the existence of “custom” ones implies that there is a built-in one. It wouldn’t be surprising to find out that Barbie and about a million other widespread legacy executables are in there.
I know there was an old hack for simcity but I’ve never heard about barbie. I’ve checked and the claim seems to come from (now removed) @pwnallthethings twitter account. What he refers to there is that Windows indeed maintains a compatibility database, which, unlike the normal compatibility menu, allows more compatibility tweaks and works entirely automatically. On my fresh win11 install, the compatibility administrator tool lists a few hundred compatibility shims and thousands of apps listed, with “Barbie Adventure Riding Club” indeed being one of them
DesktopHorse/HorseHook.dll
Great find :)
I see PwnAllTheThings is on Mastodon:
PwnAllTheThings: Twitter was special. But it’s time to leave
I found the mind share that Apple enjoys makes this kind of inverted when things don’t run right on OSX or iOS whereas android is more in the Windows boat.
it’s why you can’t name files certain names such as CON
To expand on this: The reason you can’t name files CON, etc., is because of a program from the 1960s called Peripheral Interchange Program (PIP), a program used in Digital Equipment Corporation’s computers. The overall OS that PIP was part of was called CP/M.
DOS, which came out in the 80s and was made for IBM computers, was modeled after CP/M, and it kept and expanded the capabilities of PIP.
Then Microsoft came along and created a modified version of DOS called MS-DOS which IBM started using.
Eventually, Microsoft created Windows 95, merging two initially separate products: MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows. Microsoft left in the code for handling CON, etc., but they hadn’t put in any limitations for filenames, which caused some bugs. So, from the next version of Windows onward, they disallowed the ability for anything to name a folder or file “CON”, among other related things.
So the reason you can’t name a file or folder “CON” is because of a 60-year-old file-copying program nobody uses anymore.
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That’s what happens when your entire business model is promising to support [your business name here]'s favorite feature forever. It makes a lot of money, but boy does it make for a terrible product
“Wait- It’s all Windows NT?”
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