No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
Even better is watching liberals ignore it and ban everyone who tells them to arm up to defend themselves. This is seen as “advocating violence” because they think that fascists will be nice to them if they are nice to fascists.
Yeah, well, the dichotomy exists because of the inability of the average human to appreciate nuance. No surprise it’s become a fucking shitshow.
It’s interesting watching idiots like you thinking fascists will respect you for owning guns.
It’s far more likely they’ll murder you and your entire family in your own home for being perceived as a threat to their fascism.
It’s the ones who won’t fight back that survive.
Looks like we found one of the first targets
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Where did I apologize?
My knowledge and ability to apply logic to a future scenario seems to have confused you as approving future scenario.
Based on this new knowledge, I can predict there is a 50/50 chance the fascists will successfully recruit you as a useful fool.
Morons are easy to brainwash.
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Moving that prediction up to 80/20 in favor. Best you order yourself a pair of jackboots.
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Well, at least that will take your mind off global warming. Which is good since we have already hit 1.5°C of warming.
1.5 and we’re just getting started! Let’s goooooo! It’s incredible what humans can do when we work together 🔥👏🏻🔥👏🏻🔥
You are a horrible person to make me laugh so hard at our folly
I don’t know the politics of most of those places, but Russia and America definitely are not fascist. Oligarchy is not the same as fascism, though they are certainly good friends. America is no more fascist today than it was when our capitalists were helping out the Nazis. The government is not fascist, only our capitalists are pseudo fascist. The same is true in Russia.
Ok maybe Austria will get these fascist assholes in power. Thats bad because Austria is like a playground in politics if it could happen in Austria it could happen in Germany too and then everywhere else.
Yeah you poor souls are truly living in an anti democratic fascist oligarchy and man I wish I could do something to help… God save us all for what will happen when the time comes to pay for someone with weapons
I find it fascinating that so many people realize that this happens but very few actually do something against it. I don’t mean demonstrating, although that’s a good thing and better than nothing, but what to do to fight fascism on a sustainable, more permanent level? Fight disinformation wherever you meet it, don’t ever ignore it. Ever. Spray cans and large permanent pens are your friend in the beginning. No paroles. Truth. Do something for/ with the youth in your area, even if they laugh at you or ignore you, they WILL think about it in the end. Network. Talk to all kinds of people, again, no paroles, just listen to their problems, then lead them carefully on a way and let them decide themselves. Very many will come to a human conclusion. And make it clear to the rest, that the fascists will take their money first. Compare them to con men, because that’s what they are. One last thing: “shock therapy” does NOT work (anymore). People filter much easier today. Any more suggestions? I mean real ones, not “shoot them all” BS
To fight disinformation, you first have to know what disinformation is, and the people being activists don’t really care about how much of a hypocrite they are acting as or on what vague presumptions they are or aren’t acting on. My suggestion, do what Cambridge Analytica did and has continued to exist under Emerdata and competitors, but make the data collected and the inferred relations visible to all so that people can see their surrounding and other people’s surroundings and get a notion of how and why they might be getting affected by them. Instead, we have people arguing that keeping functionality already visible to admins, and easily subject to manipulation, but hidden to the rest of the users, like upvotes and downvotes, should be kept hidden in social networks supposedly intended to be more transparent. Not even going to bring up some of the people leading those networks. I have little hope.
im gonna do something abt it and the something abt it i will do is having a panic attack and crying
I hate to say this but I’ve honestly just gotten used to the idea at this point. I’ve been watching the people around me howling in support of fascism since about 2015 now and the more egregious these politicians crimes become the louder these idiots seem to howl for them. It’s been going so long that it’s just part of the background noise of day to day life now, and I’m tired of caring anymore. It’s fucking depressing.
How can we convince people now is the time to act? What more information do we need? I think most people are clinging to the idea everything is business as usual. As long as they can keep the lights on they wouldn’t want to upset the stability they’ve managed to make for themselves.
As a Russian who’s been thinking about what could’ve been done about Putin’s many moves towards authoritarianism, I say this: I don’t know. I dint think anyone knows either.
indsight is 20/20, so good luck trying to convince people to act now, before the far and distant future is here; it’s probably part of our nature to not be that much concerned with the long-term, as it’s the short- to mid-term that keeps us alive, i.e. fed, sheltered, hopefully healthy etc.
At this point, it feels like history is indeed very cyclical, at least society is, and now anyone left of outright fascism seems to be in minority, with many others either failing or refusing to recognise what’s likely coming. I don’t think it’s new, either - I’m sure people of our ages had things to compare their situation to during the Nazis’ rise to power and subsequent events, just like we look back to their times and wonder how in the world could we possibly let that happen.
It’s probably best to vote and to protest and to be politically active and all that, before the right-wing or some other authoritarian group manages to manipulate its way into your government, local or higher, and start doing all it can to make you not even think of voting or protesting or being politically active. The caveat is you just don’t have any guarantees that any of that is going to work.
What’s even more important to remember is the fact that we cannot come up with some universal solution that’s going to always work the best way possible in every political and economical and social circumstance. This is what makes recording history and experience so important - it will allow us and those that will be after us to analyse the multitudes of factors and tendencies that lead to things and hopefully figure out reliable and effective and predictable mechanisms for society to function and prosper in mutual respect, egalitarianism, support, etc.
My last take is probably a little controversial: I think we shouldn’t ostracise people we see as fascist or right-wing or authoritarian, etc., but rather be welcoming and supporting, giving them respect, community and opportunity to speak and be listened to with kindness and understanding; many turn to violent and inhumane ideologies because, well, they don’t value themselves, feel threatened, humiliated, afraid, or something along these lines. It doesn’t have to be true, because it’s about how people feel, and we must work with how people feel and influence that on emotional level so they feel like they being in a group that’s based on being “anti-woke” or just “anti-” something - that’s a dead end; they should feel like they belong to groups that envision future and prosperity, where people know they can be trusted and can trust, where they can respect and be respected. You may not like it, but you have to understand that the human psyche can be very flexible and eventually turn a person you could easily turn into a human-loving ally into a bloodthirsty fascist just because they couldn’t find their place anywhere else, so instead they’re easily picked up by a group that manipulates confused and lost people into a sense of community and belonging.
Fascism has to be the unappealing option for them, and that requires a mind healthy from trauma and loneliness, the lack of that feeling like you’ve been played and robbed of something you own - like some great historical period the mouthpieces promise to get you back into if you yell at teenage girls for wearing bright-colored hair and rainbow pins.
I agree with your controversial take, however it’s important to note that a lot of this fascist rhetoric relies on misinformation which is spread far quicker and further than the truth. And the neofascism that has taken hold is very in-group oriented (i.e. the concepts that the in group is by definition morally virtuous and thus can do no real harm, whereas the out-group is the opposite) which is difficult to break down with logic and rhetoric. That’s not to say it can’t be done, but in terms of conversion (purely as a metric, i don’t mean to be oberly reductionist) it will always be one step forward three back. And if they people don’t approach a conversation in good faith it can be downright impossible to get them to even fathom a differing perspective. What I’m saying is that the new breed of fascists rely solely on dogma and groupthink, and have been trained to reject any rebuttal or outside perspective. They took what the old fascists did well and optimized it and trained people in it for the past 70+ years.
I understand how you might feel this way. But a key difference to the early 1930s is that there are many large-scale protests against far right extremism in Germany. The elections in the Netherlands did produce a right wing tendency, but there is no government as of yet and the PVV is still pretty far away from fascism. The other three large winners of the election are not even that right wing. At least no more than the party that ruled for the last 15 years.
That said, I do kinda hope that this phase passes quickly and that people will start to finally get along and care about our fellow humans. Even though we never have.
The protests in germany give me hope that the german public finally resists against fascism instead of just letting it happen and then saying “there’s nothing that could have been done” afterwards
I expect the US will hold out for at least the next 4.5 years. After that, no promises.
I expect that the US will last five years, what’s the bet?
4.5 years is optimistic with an election pending
Yes, fully agree, we’re living in post apocalypse times :( Climate crisis will cause more casualties, and the rising fascism will do so as well. There’s usual housing crisis, and the hyped A.I. as well among others.
In your list of countries you can add Belgium as well. In fact today it is hard to think of a country in Europe which has shown zero far right or fascism sentiments nowadays. It is difficult to focus on positive things but things like solidarity, keeping in touch with like minded people, de-growth, D.I.Y. and de-googling can help.
I don’t even have the energy to keep resisting the endless flow of bullshit anymore. It gets worse from day to day. What bothers me the most is that it’s gotten so bad that i turned apathetic to it. If someone starts spewing right wing bullshit i just zone out until they finished. In the end I won’t be directly affected by a right wing leadership in my country but i still can’t stand the idea. All the progress we have made in the last few years in terms of equality would just go to waste
I won’t be directly affected by a right wing leadership
Well, you know that famous quote where in the end there’s no one to fight for you when they come for you?
That’s why i said directly. I will definitely be affected in some form at dome point
Get your news from - Associated Press. Reuters. BBC News at a push. Nobody else.
You’ll find that, apart from a few major terrorist organisations like the IDF and the American armed forces, actually everything’s pretty ok
Edit - downvoted by people who don’t realise that no matter how fucked up certain things are, our lives are a million times easier than they used to be. Yes, our world is a bit fucked up, but at least your biggest problem is some religious weirdos not accepting your sexualities fucksake. You’ve got fucking food and the shelter to endure the climate changes that your ancestors endured with sticks and furs 😂
Oh, just realised that the downvoting might be because I said the American army are terrorists. But I can’t think of a better noun for global destabilising criminals lol
Counter point: No it fucking isn’t. Humanity is genuinely shitting the bed on multiple important issues. OP’s worries are valid. If you think that the current situation is okay, then you’re part of the problem. If it’s not fascism, we still have climate change fucking us six ways to Sunday
If only that were true. I can’t speak for the world as a whole, but things are pretty bad in the US. As a whole, LGBTQ+, especially trans folks, are at the highest risk of being victimized in the last 50 years. Just a few months ago, about 15 miles away from where I live, a trans kid was lured by right wing extremists and murdered. They used Grindr to catfish him in a planned, coordinated action. They are on trial for it right now.
I used that example to iterate how problems do exist in our personal communities. Anecdotes are not proof of larger societal trends, but the societal trends show it is a societal problem, too.
Yes, the number in the article I linked is not large by itself, but it is important to remember they are nearly all people who were fully out and were not afraid to tell people it. Most trans people are either somewhat or entirely closeted for safety.
You think trans people today are more victimized than in the 70’s+? Lol.
You’re delusional touch grass and talk to older people for some perspective. Lol go watch MILK or something
In the 70’s US, most people were entirely unaware of the subject. Violence against trans people absolutely occurred, and it was absolutely horrific, but the problems mostly stemmed from true ignorance. It was not like today where over 500 anti-trans bills were introduced this year to systematically harm, erase, and even hunt people for not identifying with what they were assigned at birth. With multiple organizations like the HRC declaring a state of emergency for trans people, yes, things today are undoubtedly more hostile than they have been in the past.
Talk to older people
How about you do that? I do quite frequently, in fact. From the events I’ve created or attended to celebrate trans identities, older trans people have exclusively expressed to me their fears for the growing hatred, and how it is unlike anything they have seen before. There are far more people that are accepting today than ever, yes, but there are also far more people who have so much extreme bigotry that they commit violence against trans people.
Lol
I think it sucks when you are forced to save the environment but the rich don’t have to change their lifestyle at all. They should be the first to have to change since they affect the environment a lot more.
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Guillotine is a solution. What aazes me is that they’re living like it should be the only solution.
How is Argentina fascist? The president is just trying to exterminate inflation
Among other things, the “anarcho-capitalist” is privatizing state companies, okay, that tracks, but it’s also something the Nazis did, and banning abortion and giving security forces more power.
Wait a minute, banning abortion and giving cops more power?
That’s not something anarcho-capitalism supports!
It’s almost like, like every other ancap who gets power, he’s just a lying fascist!
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/12/09/javier-milei-is-the-worlds-latest-wannabe-fascist/
Sounds like: latin america bad ಠ_ಠ
I can see how a liar would pretend to believe that.
It’s not actually fascism, it’s modern feudalism. The push for a more totalitarian government in all of the countries you mention is being funded by the super rich who want the working class to stay firmly under their thumb. And the plebes who are voting for the oligarchic candidates are really just voting to become serfs to their new lords and masters.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It’s governments run by the rich for the rich. It’s the crushing of labor unions and it’s choosing a scapegoat to blame the ills of your economy on. Fascism is exactly what we are seeing
Fascism is a violent protection of the Capitalist status-quo in which the bourgeoisie cements itself as the totalitarian rulers.
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Fascism is quite a bit more complicated than that. What I described is the function of fascism, as well as the material conditions that result in it. You’re describing the form.
i believe in anarchy
organize
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By letting people live how they want to live as long as they aren’t raping people’s lives and making slaves.
That’s not really what Anarchy is, though. Anarchism is a web of structures like networks of Mutual Aid. It functions on gift economies and concepts like Direct Democracy.
Anarchism is a complex web of horizontal structures, not the absence of structure.
None of which exist currently and won’t be planned until after the overthrow of the system has resulted in another power grab and we end up in the same situation with a different hierarchy.
Stonks.
Seriously though, anarchy and whatever it means to you is purely theoretical in nature. “Anarchy is insert thing that’s never existed and OP can’t even explain in detail” is a useless statement, all you’re saying is it’s not what we have now and somehow it won’t have any kind of vertical elevation of humans above one another.
We can all create fantasy utopias in our heads and claim they are or aren’t whatever we want.
Nothing will ever change until this civilization collapses.
You can explain it, though. All I added was that it’s not just an absence of structure, if you want to learn more there’s lots of writings.
It’s really time to get organized before the cycle starts: I wasn’t a Jew so I minded my own business, I wasn’t a…
