It is likely because Israel vs. Palestine is a much much more hot button issue than Russia vs. Ukraine.
Some people will assault you for having the wrong opinion in the wrong place about the former, and that is press Google does not want to be able to be associated with their LLM in anyway.
It is likely because Israel vs. Palestine is a much much more hot button issue than Russia vs. Ukraine.
It really shouldn’t be, though. The offenses of the Israeli government are equal to or worse than those of the Russian one and the majority of their victims are completely defenseless. If you don’t condemn the actions of both the Russian invasion and the Israeli occupation, you’re a coward at best and complicit in genocide at worst.
In the case of Google selectively self-censoring, it’s the latter.
that is press Google does not want to be able to be associated with their LLM in anyway.
That should be the case with BOTH, though, for reasons mentioned above.
I agree. You can’t have civilians being slaughtered anywhere. Everyone has lost their fucking minds with mental gymnastics. It’s all bad. There are no excuses. Nothing to do with politics, defense spending, feelings, whataboutisms… All genocide and war is bad.
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Russia invaded a sovereign nation.
Israel is occupying and oppressing what WOULD have otherwise been a sovereign nation.
Israel is retaliating against a political and military terrorist group
Bullshit. That’s the official government claim, but it’s clear to anyone with even an ounce of objectivity that it’s actually attacking the Palestinian people as a whole. By their OWN assessment they’re killing TWICE as many innocent civilians as Hamas and since they refuse to show any proof, the ratio is likely much worse.
the de facto leaders
More than half of the population wasn’t even BORN (let alone of voting age) the last time they were allowed the opportunity to vote for anyone else and even then they ran on false claims of moderation. They are an illegitimate government and civilians who never voted for them shouldn’t suffer for their atrocities.
disputed territory within Israel’s own borders.
Because of the aforementioned illegal occupation.
Hamas attacked Israel
Yes. Nobody sane is defending Hamas. That doesn’t mean that AT LEAST two civilians needs to die for every Hamas terrorist killed.
desire to wipe Israel off the map
So civilians should die for the desires of their governments? That would be bad news for the equally innocent Israeli civilians.
Israel didn’t just invade their territory randomly.
Might not be random, but sure as hell isn’t proportionate or otherwise in keeping with international humanitarian law.
It’s important to remember that doing nothing isn’t equal to peace
It’s at least as important to remember that the only alternative to “nothing” isn’t “a laundry list of horrific crimes against humanity”. Stow the false dichotomies, please.
Hamas attacked them
Which the fascists are using as an excuse to indiscriminately murder civilians including by denying them basic life necessities such as food, water, electricity, fuel, medical treatment and medicine.
TL;DR: I hope AIPAC or another Israeli government agency is paying you well for your efforts, otherwise it’s just sad for you to be spending so much time and effort regurgitating all the long debunked genocide apologia of an apartheid regime…
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Is is a complicated history but I’m not sure you have to full story. The disengagement was not an end to occupation. The occupation was an intentional part of the 1967 war. The concept of transfer has been integral to the development of Israel since decades before it’s founding.
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
Gaza Blockade is still Occupation
I think there are a few things that should be taken into account:
- Hamas stated time and time again that their goal is to take over all of the land that is currently Israel and, to put it extremely mildly, make nearly all the Jewish population not be there.
- The Oct. 7th attack has shown that Hamas is willing to commit indiscriminate murder, kidnapping and rape to achieve this goal. Some of the the kidnapped civilians are currently held in Gaza.
Israel had no real choice but to launch an attack against Hamas in order to return the kidnapped citizens and neutralize Hamas as a threat. You could say “Yes, that’s because Because of the aforementioned illegal occupation”, but just like the citizens in Gaza have a right to be protected against bombings regardless of what their government did, Israeli citizens have the right to be protected from being murdered, raped or kidnapped.
So, any true solution has to take both these considerations into account. Right now, the Israeli stance is that once Hamas will no longer control Gaza, the war could end (citizens on both sides will be protected). The Hamas stance is that Israel should cease hostilities so they can work on murdering, raping or kidnapping more Israeli citizens. That isn’t to say Israel is just, rather that Israel is willing to accept a solution that stops the killing of both citizen populations, while Hamas is not. The just solution is for the international community to put pressure on both parties to stop hostilities. The problem is that the parts of the world who would like to see a just solution (Eurpoe, the US etc.) are able to put pressure on Israel, while the parts who don’t hold humane values (Iran, Qatar etc.) support Hamas.
Now, regarding the massive civilian casualties in Gaza:
- Hamas has spent many years integrating their military capabilities into civilian infrastructure. This was done as a strategy, specifically to make it harder for Israel to harm Hamas militants without harming civilians.
I’m not trying to say that all civilians killing in Gaza are justified, rather that it’s extremely hard to isolate military targets. Most international law regarding warfare states that warring parties should avoid harming civilians as much as possible. Just saying “Israel is killing TWICE as many innocent civilians as Hamas, therefore they’re attacking Palestinian people as a whole” doesn’t take this into account what’s possible under in the current situation.
Bing Copilot is also clearly Zionist
Because google is supplying military grade tech services to Israel.
Does it behave the same if you refer to it as “the war in Gaza”/“Israel-Palestine conflict” or similar?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it trips up on making the inference from Oct 7th to the (implicit) war.
Edit: I tested it out, and it’s not that - formatting the question the same for Russia-Ukraine and Israel-Palestine respectively does still yield those results. Horrifying.
I don’t love it, but they’re probably trying to stay away from extra controversy that will get them canceled by the government.
This is why Wikipedia needs our support.
Wikipedia has more than enough money. It still needs support and protecting, but the servers have sufficient funding for the foreseeable future.
Let’s just hope they don’t do a reddit and waste that excess of funding on exorbitant pay for executives, who then undermine the core principles that created that income. Jimmy Wales isn’t likely to do that, he already made enough money in softcore porn during the early days of the internet (which he then used to start Wikipedia).
Bad news, Wikipedia is no better when it comes to economic or political articles.
The fact that ADL is on Wikipedia’s “credible sources” page is all the proof you need.
See Who’s Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign
Incidentally, the “WikiScanner” software that Virgil Griffin (a close friend of Aaron Swartz, incidentally) developed to chase down bulk Wiki edits has been decommissioned and the site shut down. Virgil is currently serving out a 63 month sentence for the crime of traveling to North Korea to attend a tech summit.
Read into that what you will.
Anther massive piece of evidence is the fact that Wikipedia is lying about about the 6 day war
On 5 June 1967, as the UNEF was in the process of leaving the zone, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields and other facilities,
The word pre-emptive is snuck in there as factual while in reality being either a complete lie, or highly controversial as all major US intelligence sources confirmed that Egypt had no interest in war before israel attacked.
Neither U.S. nor Israeli intelligence assessed that there was any kind of serious threat of an Egyptian attack. On the contrary, both considered the possibility that Nasser might strike first as being extremely slim.
The current Israeli Ambassador to the U.S., Michael B. Oren, acknowledged in his book “Six Days of War“, widely regarded as the definitive account of the war, that “By all reports Israel received from the Americans, and according to its own intelligence, Nasser had no interest in bloodshed”.
This was not a defensive war, it was an attack by israel. Yet Wikipedia frames it as brave Zionists “defending themselves” into Egypt.
Doesn’t work when you ask about Israeli deaths on 10/7 either.
The 1400? The 1200? The 1137?
Of course that question doesn’t work.
The 10,000? The 20,000? The 30,000? The hospital missile strike? Goes both ways.
There’s no controversy over Hamas’ death count and they don’t keep changing it up like israel does.
A bigger controversy would be the claimed 30.000 Ukrainian death count while America claims it’s 70.000.
31,000 Ukrainian Soldiers Killed in Two Years of War, Zelensky Says
The tally that President Volodymyr Zelensky revealed on Sunday differs sharply from that given by U.S. officials, who have said the number is closer to 70,000.
40 decapitated babies. The President even said he saw the bodies.
I wonder if it would tell you Ukraine is rich in African heritage
You didn’t ask the same question both times. In order to be definitive and conclusive you would have needed ask both the questions with the exact same wording. In the first prompt you ask about a number of deaths after a specific date in a country. Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict. In the second prompt you simply asked if there had been any deaths in the start of the conflict; Giving the name of the conflict this time. I am not defending the AI’s response here I am just pointing out what I see as some important context.
Gaza is a place, not the name of a conflict
That’s not an accident. The major media organs have decided that the war on the Palestinians is “Israel - Hamas War”, while the war on Ukrainians is the “Russia - Ukraine War”. Why would you buy into the Israeli narrative in the first convention and not call the second the “Russia - Azov Battalion War” in the second?
I am not defending the AI’s response here
It is very reasonable to conclude that the AI is not to blame here. Its working from a heavily biased set of western news media as a data set, so of course its going to produce a bunch of IDF-approved responses.
Garbage in. Garbage out.
The 2 things are not the same
Russia a country invaded Ukraine a country.
Israel a country was attacked by Hamas a terrorist group and in response invaded Palestine a country.
Way to put the cart before the horse! The origin of the current war in the mideast is the creation of Israel after the second world war. You can’t deny the role of the original land theft in discussing the situation, though i’m sure you weren’t trying to.
Imagine the King of England (now that we have one of those again) declaring Texas to be entirely the territory of Native Americans. What would white people do? And yet we act like the palestinians are unreasonable. Like, get fucked. It has nothing to do with racism of any sort and everything to do with all humans being pretty much worthless cunts. (Present company excepted of course. ;) )
That’s a valid point, but it’s not like the Jews never lived there, go far back enough and it’s a very different situation. That is what makes this entire conflict so difficult.
That is why I think it’s good to just look at current events.
Because Ukraine has a single unified government excepting the occupied Donbas?
Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank which has a separate/unrelated Palestine government.
To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.
Ukraine has a single unified government
Ukraine had been in a state of civil war since 2014. That’s half the reason for the conflict. Donetsk separatists were governing the region adverse to the Ukrainian Feds for nearly a decade.
Calling it the Israel-Palestine war would be misleading because Israel hasn’t invaded the West Bank
Since Oct 7th, there have been repeated artillery bombardments of the West Bank by the IDF.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68006126
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/israels-secret-air-war-gaza-west-bank-rcna126096
To analogize oppositely, it would be real weird if China invaded Taiwan and people started calling it the Chinese civil war.
Given their history, it would be more accurate to call it The Second Chinese Civil War.
This could be caused by the training dataset cutoff date. These models are not being trained on real time, so they don’t have information about recent events. War in Ukraine is lasting longer than 2 years already, and the current Gazan conflict is relatively recent. My quick search didn’t find what Gemini dataset cutoff date is.
Guy you can’t compare different fucking prompts, what are you even doing with your life
like asking it to explain an apple and then an orange and complaining the answers are different
it’s not a fucking person m8 ITS A COMPUTER
and yes, queries on certain subjects generate canned, pre-written-by-humans responses which you can work around simply by rephrasing the question, because, again, it’s a computer. The number of people getting mad at a computer because of their own words is fuckin painful to see.
They probably would have blacklisted the topic if they remembered. At least in America a portion of the population has forgotten about the conflict in the Ukraine because of Gaza and Gemini literally just got released to the general public.
Someone should realize that LLM’s aren’t always trained up to date on the latest and greatest of news. Ukraine’s conflict is two years running, and Gaza happened ~4½ months ago. It also really didn’t outright refuse, it just told the user to use search.
Meanwhile in the bingilator:
First Pic: Love the ghost hand on the underwear guy’s weapon
Second Pic: That girl is wielding a pitchfork and a dildo
Holy shit that second one is fire.
Also it is insane and complete nonsense, as is “AI” tradition.
The OP did manage to get an answer on an uncensored term “Nakba 2.0”.
