Wait no, not direct action like that. You’re no supposed to try to influence the lesser of two evils. /s
Hell yeah 🤘! Some people are actually trying to make a Biden presidency more appealing instead of giving up on fighting Trump and on saving lives
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I too like to compare leaders from two different time periods and apply the same standard. When was stonewall? How is the LGBT community treated in the US today? Brandon just watching as chuds agitate against LGBT community and does nothing
The Institute of Sex Research was burned down in 1933. It wasn’t a “different time”, it was a time with the same political issues and the same Nazi rhetoric attacking trans people. Had something been done to prevent the rise of the Nazis and protect the Institute of Sex Research, trans healthcare would be 50 years ahead in technology and we wouldn’t be facing the same issues today. But Genocide Joe (the Russian one) opted not to do anything about the Nazis until 8 years later when Hitler brought the war to Russia.
Genocide Joe was aware of the issues. He chose not to protect trans people, and he chose to persecute gay people. Marx said a worldwide revolution would be required, but Joe said fuck that, homosexuality is bourgeois, and stayed in Russia. He is in large part responsible for the current plight of LGBT people.
I ask you, what state would the world be in if we had had a progressive Soviet Union? One that was 50 years ahead of the states on queer issues? One that was committed to racial and religious equality? How would the fight for global communism be going today if Genocide Joe had not armed the US with material for their propaganda that claims communism is right wing? If everyone in the world knew today that the USSR had been a haven for queer and Jewish people, decades ahead of the capitalist regimes, how easy would it be to persuade people into allies of the communist cause today? How much would a genuinely positive example help us?
Joseph Stalin fought the Nazis on the battlefield, but he was their ally in the cause of bigotry and hate. He had every opportunity to choose to become a progressive, and he refused. Fuck him.
With enough time the SU would’ve eventually gotten there. Here I point to Cuba that similarly had reactionary views on LGBT issues in the past and have the world wide most progressive protections for LGBT people.
Joseph Stalin fought the Nazis on the battlefield, but he was their ally in the cause of bigotry and hate.
Stopping the Holocaust means that Stalin was a bigot and was hateful. Please get a grip.
It shouldn’t take time for a person to realise that criminalising being gay is wrong. You should just know that by the time you’re 5 years old. At the latest. I have no idea what Genocide Joe’s parents taught him as a child, but they obviously failed to raise a good boy. They raised a shithead.
Stalin was a product of his time, which (similar to today) was full of homophobia.
Good people (such as the wonderful scientists at the Institute of Sex Research) are capable of critical thinking and questioning their problematic beliefs. That’s always been true and it always will be. There has never been a time in history when a good person thought we should throw all gay people in jail.
Funny how you ask for critical support for Brandon, but are unable to do so for Stalin
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Sounds like lesser-evilism to me. I don’t really have that much of a problem with you thinking all that if you can apply the same mindset to modern politics.
The Institute of Sex Research was burned down in 1933.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_für_Sexualwissenschaft
That was in Germany. How is Stalin responsible for that?
Had something been done to prevent the rise of the Nazis
Stalin famously siding with the Nazis her and the Soviets not crushing them in WW2
You’re comparing apples and oranges
Stalin should have marched on Berlin in 1933, or ideally sooner. That’s what Marx said to do. Stalin was a failure of a Marxist and he failed the world.
He also shouldn’t have outlawed homosexuality in Russia, but I think you and I already agree on that.
Armchair general here telling us what should’ve been done.
He also shouldn’t have outlawed homosexuality in Russia, but I think you and I already agree on that.
Yes I do agree that was indeed a shit move.
If I’m an armchair general, then so was Marx, who said the same things I’m saying, and so was the USSR’s own People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs, Maxim Litvinov. People were telling Stalin that Germany was a threat, and that worldwide communism was required. Stalin ignored communist theory and he ignored members of his own government. And what did his Russia actually do in the end? It signed trade agreements from 1935 to 1939, supplying Hitler with raw materials for the Nazi war machine.
Stalin was an incompetent fool when it came to foreign policy with the Nazis. If he’d had a shred of common decency, he would have tried to do something about the holocaust OTHER THAN helping the Nazis.
Stalin tried to form an anti-Nazi coalition with France, UK, etc and they refused.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/stalin-first-tried-to-resist-hitler-with-great-britain-11589838192
Also a pact of non aggresion to win time is barely an alliance
Maxim Litvinov was responsible for opening those talks, and a year later, Stalin fired him for being Jewish and understandably anti-nazi.
There’s Marxists today is inside and outside of China recognizing that the US is a threat to China and that the US is supporting a genocide in Palestine. China should just go ahead and nuke the US now, otherwise they are helping the US to commit and support it’s atrocities, right?
My reply is totally unrelated to this thread. You seem to be very amped up about this. Reading your comments in this thread you really have a strong opinion on the USA, which is not your country. Which means you have as much influence in it as I do, basically none. My question/point, do you know why you’re so amped up about this?
good, now please remind me when and for what reason was Alan Turing killed?
now remind me what happened in Cuba in regards to LGBT over the past 50 years?
I stg some people are immune to dialectics
even if we take your position 100%, jailing LGBT people is not genocide in the slightest, your position just trivializes actual genocide (unless you mean Holodomor, which you should’ve mentioned, and which is absolutely not man-made and doesn’t count as a genocide as such, even if you can criticize some of its surrounding policies)
you’re probably one of the people who say “personality cult bad”, yet you ascribe to Stalin the level of influence that could singlehandedly flip the modern Russian’s outlook on one of the most polarizing topics in modern times 70 years after his death. Well, news flash, nobody has that kind of power. People act as “conductors” of objective historical forces, and Stalin was no exception, even the CIA said there was collective leadership in Stalin’s time. Communism doesn’t recognize “human rights” or any “universal” morals, so you have to scientifically analyze the LGBT movement to make a case for supporting it. Can you blame Stalin for not personally having done research into the gay question over 20 years before the word “gay” even appeared, during the WW2 and its preparatory phase? In order to answer a question, it must first be asked.
when people criticize Stalin in general, they criticize the objective forces he stood for - namely, the preservation of socialism by all means, in spite of countless wars. When Khruschev proclaimed destalinization, he also proclaimed “peaceful coexistence” with capitalist countries, he proclaimed the “state of the whole people” (as opposed to the dictatorship of the proletariat), and started the ball rolling towards the full restoration of capitalism and dissolution of the USSR. Of course, this too isn’t a personal decision of Khruschev, but a manifestation of broader revisionism and opportunism in the party. This is the reason the Marxist-Leninist movement will continue defending Stalin’s legacy.
Soviet Union is like the entire reason you won’t find a lot of open communist supporters in Ukraine and rest of Eastern Europe. It’s given such a bad reputation to the word
Oh yeah, totally not the Red Scare and sanctions on socialist and communist countries, am I right?
No it’s all of their dead ancestors that starved, were executed, or worked to death during communist regimes
“communist” regimes
No, that is only in the US.
We are talking about Europe, which had direct contact with Communism because of the awful neighbor.
Clarify “direct action”
Painting bike lanes, growing vegetables, giving amateur therapy to otherkin, blowing up oil pipelines, giving cops a good reason to be scared, practicing witchcraft, and distributing arms to the workers.
When I’m on my bike, I love ending up on unofficial lanes that were painted by some dude and are clearly safe. When my coworkers give me guns, I think about how lame and boring unions are.
Not seeing the problem with a two-party system is everything that’s wrong with you people. Is there no such concept of coalition where seats can be distributed by the parties on a consensus?
We all see the problem. Ranked choice voting is only barely in the public consciousness, we’re still at least two decades away from realistically being able to challenge the two-party system the way things are going.
When I first started advocating for it 24ish years ago (guess why), practically nobody had heard of it. Now most liberals seem to know what it is. And I think that’s a very important nearly-final step, because now every congressman does know what it is. The logic is obvious; it’s all a matter of honest awareness and dishonest BS.
The hard part will be getting people to admit to themselves that they’ve been manipulated by de facto conservative Democrats for years.
Everyone sees the problem, don’t be a patronizing dickfuck. There’s not much an average citizen that’s just trying to feed their family and pay their bills can realistically do to change that other than educate and vote.
My country has instant runoff and it’s great. We’re doing way better than the US. They should overthrow the government and implement communism, or at the very least an actual democracy.
Now, do you think the communist orgs in America can pull off all that in the space between now and Trump enacting his plans for dictatorship? Or do you think maybe we should do something about the Trump problem BEFORE he kills all the trans people, immigrants, and communists in his country?
I wonder if this meme will spread to Hexbear.
Their worshipping of communism while simultaneously being chock full of LGBTQ+ activists, will make their brains explode once they read this little titbit of history.
The chad wojak in this meme is also a communist.
The “A” tattoo stands for anarchism, not communism. Anarchists, especially full-fledged anti-statists don’t vote, which makes this meme contradictory.
One can participate in a system for harm reduction whilst still believing the entire system needs to be abolished.
Is that the panel 1 guy trying to convince the panel 2 guy to vote for genocide?
