Can corporations fuck it up if they want to? Couldn’t we just migrate to a new instance and not federate? Or not federate with them from the beginning?
I’ve already seen it happen with a company creating an account to plug their meal plan site, same thing that has been happening on reddit since it started. Just don’t trust any account thats trying to sell you something.
Easy. Ban every company.
Easy. ~~Ban~~ Defederate every company.
FTFY. It’s FOSS. We can’t stop them from spinning up their own instances (See: Threads) but that doesn’t mean we have to play nicely with them.
Edit: Fuck it, I can’t get the ~~strikethrough~~ to work.
It’s just
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Ah, it’s like being back in Reddit.
TestI swear it was working at one point and hasn’t worked for me recently either Maybe I’m misremembering.
Wait, threads is part of the federverse?? damn.
It uses ActivityPub, but I don’t think it’s actually part of the fediverse yet. But it may be in the future.
Not yet I think, but they plan to join.
YUPYUP
We always knew this would happen though.
I don’t think this will be a popular take but I think big companies joining the Fediverse has the potential to be a healthy thing. They’d have the resources to make it more viable to onboard the masses. This would grow the graph and the content pool.
Once onboarded, people can hear the gospel from us Fediverse-freaks and potentially migrate. The concept of finding and joining a federated instance won’t be so scary. The people that won’t migrate probably never were going to.
Will they be perfect citizens? Almost certainly not, but it doesn’t have to be all bad
But with big companies comes advertising which is one big reason why I’m here and not on the official Reddit app.
Ads do suck and the whole industry is a hazard, but if another instance wants to run some and recoup server bills it doesn’t seem like my problem; I’ll find a new instance with a different financial model. If they inject ads into feeds I’d want them defederated; it all becomes a selling point to move to a different instance
Do you want to onboard the masses though?
These are the masses that literally do not seek anything that is not packaged and maketed and placed directly beneath their noses as the latest zeitgeist, the must have, if you don’t join you’re out of touch!!!
It’s not exactly conducive to critical thought processes, and a large part of valid arguments about social media being harmful.
I do think there’s lots of people who have something meaningful to say that can’t or won’t take the time to learn to navigate the Fediverse
I mean, there are multiple visual and audible walk-through videos on YouTube available to teach people how to make an account here. They are step by step, and you can see what to click.
I learned by googling it, myself.
How easy are you talking, here?
No one needed a walk-through to sign up for Threads last week; that should be the goal IMO for any decentralized network to thrive. Being decentralized makes that inherently more difficult but I believe it’s a worthwhile goal.
I know it probably sounds insane but I think the Fediverse has more potential than a niche social network for the data conscious - but I think it needs to be accessible to fulfill that vision
That’s the sad pickle though - you don’t want to gatekeep voices, but at the same time there needs to be some effort put in if you want your voice heard - an ersatz idiot filter.
That’s why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
China has some pretty cool jets that don’t like totally explode for no reason.
I just wouldn’t use a corporate server. This here is more like old internet before the likes of google started to buy everything and consolidate the internet. Running a single server is not the same as a server farm in multiple countries.
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I started on lemme.world but it’s been getting hammered so I made a backup account on lemm.ee Yes when your feed is on local is the server you are on and all is all servers. It gets weirder though because you will also see posts from defederated servers, we can still comment like normal on them too but that server itself that’s defederated the people on that server will not be communicating with the rest of the federation.
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instances collectively agreeing to defederate from corporate ones is what will stop them
We have more control this time though… When the companies come, we can block them.
It’ll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
It honestly doesn’t seem that expensive based on others talking about their hosting costs. The bigger instance will be more expensive but they would also have a lot more people who can easily handle the cost without needing external funds. That said some instance will go that way not for the server cost but for simply money in their pocket at which point you can just switch to another instance.
Any estimate on costs? Round figures?
My lemm.ee instance costs around €150-200 per month (as per our admin) which is a medium sized instance but it is extremely well maintained. But it’s certainly not 100s of millions of dollars, that’s for sure.
Someone made a thread specifically for that a while ago but don’t remember where or what the name was, sorry
It gets more expensive if you strart a successful meme community with lots of data. Some big Mastodon servers already store gigabytes per hour. Even with Cloudflare the expenses can soon get pretty high.
But yes, everything else with Lemmy is just a few euros a month.
I still don’t understand why they aren’t just utilizing imgur and that catbox hosting service exclusively. Plenty of image/gif hosting options.
The current default installation, especially if using Ansible, doesn’t use any commercial image hosting services. You need to go out of the golden path to do so.
Even using an S3-compatible host is not in the default path: the files are stored to the server file system. So, yeah, maybe this is the reason. And of course, giving your content to a commercial entity is something people in the fediverse doesn’t like that much. Wasn’t the idea to get rid of these entities that can just be bought by a billionaire asshole and suddenly killing your community.
Here’s hoping it stays sane and corpo free for a long time
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn’t bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It’s not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
Don’t be surprised if corporations bought out instances or whole development teams. Good thing new Inatances can be launched and the community can always fork the code and continue work.
I’m gonna spam this everywhere. Thank you!
Can you not expand comment images in Jerboa? I can’t read that and I can’t figure out how to make it bigger.
Same!
I can’t expand on Jerboa either, but it says
Protocol Violation: improper meme format
I can hear this image
God dammit Jorji, get it right.
This is the first time I’ve seen a Papers Please meme, and it makes me so happy.
Stanley Kubrick over here
Ah shit
Here we go again
@mino I already saw some adposts from coorperations here. But they werent pushed to me as no ones serves ads here.
I hope not. I remember a time in which you needed to know something in order to enjoy the Internet and I kinda hope this place remains less approachable by normies, but attractive to those who love technology. I feel this is like how IRC was in the 90s.
I think that Lemmy becoming more accessible to normies is a good thing. There’s no reason to gatekeep it, as it’s not the normies that mess up the site, it’s the greedy pricks that follow them and try to make a buck.
