Americans heard “sleepy joe” repeated by news outlets ad nauseam long before the debate.
Sleepy joe was applied to his stutter, now his age. Long ago ABC made it a thing without thinking about what it ever meant.
From all the media I’ve consumed it sounds like they’re putting feelers out for running Kamala instead, I think of Bidens polling doesn’t improve they may do this. (Or someone else that polls better)
I still think there is a chance he’ll drop out, but the optics of being pressured to drop out aren’t good, I think they’re worried that might hurt them also.
So if it happens it’ll be spun as Biden choosing to do so (if he continues lagging enough in the polls)
But as long as he pulls better than the alternatives they’re going to keep going with him, so… Hopefully closer to the election people at least choose to vote against the far far far worse, fashy choice in any case
I’m on some text lists. There are definitely some people putting out feelers for Kamala. Got a couple requests for surveys about it.
I wouldn’t care if he was 90, but I do care that he can’t function. He constantly lies as well
Between Trump and Biden, Biden is the one you think is the big liar? What’s he lied about?
(And is it something that somehow makes him worse than the compulsive lying fascist guy?)
You think he hasn’t lied?
“I’m the only president this century that doesn’t have any — this decade — that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world, like [Trump] did.”
So the video of Biden checking his watch over and over again as military members were passing him… They weren’t dead. They were just sleeping extra hard.
The US Border Patrol union “endorsed me, endorsed my position.”
https://x.com/BPUnion/status/1806501048724430943
“Black unemployment is the lowest level it’s been in a long, long time.”
In April 2023 under Biden, black unemployment hit a record low of 4.8%, beating a previous low of 5.3% reached under Trump in 2019.
However, the rate last month was 6.1%. Far from “lowest” by several percentage points.
“We have a thousand millionaires in America, I mean billionaires. And what’s happening? They’re in a situation where they in fact pay 8.2% taxes.”
The top 1% of taxpayers (income of at least $548,000) paid an average tax rate of nearly 26% in 2020, while the top 0.001% — 1,475 taxpayers with at least $77 million in adjusted gross income – paid 23.7%
“I’ve changed in a way that now you’re in a situation where there are 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally. That’s better than when [Trump] left office.”
HAH. I not even gratifying this lie with the truth. I think we all know the southern border is a serious problem and that it’s still not even close to Trump levels.
These were JUST from the debate… Several other statements weren’t outright lies, but definitely misrepresentations of the truth. You’re not going to convince anyone that Biden ISN’T lying. There is no single “big liar”. They’re both lying.
Trump is lying about being a child rapist, he has clear photographic proof that he was deeply involved with Epstein. He’s also lied about his plans to institute a christo-fascist state, which seems significantly worse than getting some statistics wrong.
I mean, overlooking troops dying is more significant - but he has cracked down on the border. He tried passing a border control law but the Republicans killed it.
In any case all of they pale in comparison to the stuff Trump lies about, and what he intends on doing. Which is essentially everything. Trump lies about everything, no matter how concrete and proven like Daniels case.
Arguing that they are both liars and therefore equally as bad seems ludicrous.
Trump is lying about being a child rapist, and his plans to institute a christo-fascist state, which seems significantly worse than getting some statistics wrong.
Please source these items individually for me.
Trump is a child rapist -
This sounds like deflection from Biden sexually abusing his own daughter. Snopes doesn’t even give any credence to this one… which historically was anti-trump and pro-biden (having to revise many articles in the past year in more favor of Trump). https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-child-rape-settlements/
his plans to institute a christo-fascist state -
Are you talking about Project2025? Can you a) source that he subscribes to it? b) source what part of it is facist, I mean specific article/page/chapter… something more meaningful that just screaming Project2025?
I mean, overlooking troops dying is more significant
Overlooking? The fucker shits on veterans everywhere, regularly. Yet I have people telling me that I should overlook that myself, as a veteran. Fuck that.
but he has cracked down on the border. He tried passing a border control law but the Republicans killed it.
No he hasn’t. We’ve had well over 30 million illegals cross the border in his 3.5 years in office. Border encounters are still at record highs. With sources saying that we have 6 million encounters alone from 2021-2023 FYs alone (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/29/us/illegal-border-crossings-data.html). Remember that encounters do not count those that make it through without being captured. And pushing lies like this doesn’t help you lend any credibility to Biden. Waiting until t-6months to finally do something about a problem that was a non-issue under your predecessor is an abysmal take to argue for something that matters a lot to border state residents and to the safety of our country (with active known terrorists being caught at the border regularly). Your argument is basically “he’s doing something”… Doing “something” against 1240% increase is not sufficient. Stop acting like it is.
Arguing that they are both liars and therefore equally as bad seems ludicrous.
Only to people too stupid to realize the alternative is to run LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE WITH A FUCKING PULSE that’s preferably below the age of retirement. Only idiots believe that Biden is the only answer.
I never said Biden was the best candidate, not at all.
I think someone else would be better also. I’m not arguing he’s great, just that he’s still a But he’s still way better than Trump, even with all those problems. I agree he’s not even close to the best option and should be doing more, he’s still the better choice when he’s going up against Trump.I agree that they should run someone else also, but even with all his problems hes still a way better choice.
Trump is a convicted rapist - see the E Jean Carrol case. The Biden assaulting his daughter thing has been debunked https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-diary-afraid/ There’s lots of evidence Trump spent time with Epstein- he flew on his plane seven times? There are many other sexual assault accusations: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped
As for project 2025 it was written by his advisors, along with the heritage foundation (who worked closely with his administration as well).
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-project-2025-colossal-mandate/
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
Also I never said it didn’t matter about getting the troop numbers wrong. He lost a son who was a soldier, when has he disparaged veterans? Trump is the one doing major shitting on the military and veterans:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/08/trump-mocked-us-military-troops-losers-whole-life/
but even with all his problems hes still a way better choice.
I don’t think so. I, and everyone I know lived considerably better under Trump. And I’m not getting much valid argument to sway me otherwise of why what we have now is worth the cost.
Also I never said it didn’t matter about getting the troop numbers wrong.
There’s a difference between getting a number wrong off the top of your head to claiming IT NEVER HAPPENED. If I eat half a pie of pizza and claim I ate 3 slices when it was really 4… That’s a completely different thing than forgetting that there was even pizza to being with. Now up the scale to people who died under your orders. You’re downplaying this rather than owning it and pushing for a better fucking candidate.
when has he disparaged veterans?
Seriously? “Clap for that you stupid bastards” to a room of military members who were forced to attend his speech. We already covered him shitting on dead soldiers under his watch. Why do I have to give you more evidence when you ALREADY acknowledged at least one instance of it? Do I have to write you a book on it? We’ve already acknowledged it. Accept that he’s done it.
I can tell you as a VA-going veteran… The VA was better under trump. So if he shits on veterans in speeches (telling them to stand up when they’re disabled and wheel-chair bound), can’t even sit through a proper ceremony where HIS DEAD SOLDIERS returned in casket, his veteran policy leads to shittier care for myself and everyone I know… Yes… He shits on veterans. I’m sorry that you have to hear it from me. There’s very few Veterans that I’m aware of that actually want to vote Biden. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3078007/bidens-big-lie-on-veterans/ the facts here [not the shitty editorializing] matches what I observe in the VA system as a user of the system.)
Trump is the one doing major shitting on the military and veterans:
Which nobody heard first hand… Most military members believe this to be bullshit (me included). With Biden it’s all on tape. With Trump, I have to take the third party account and word of 1 person against many others’ word saying that it didn’t happen to begin with. There is no actual evidence that it was said at all https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/28/trump-soldiers-suckers-losers-2/… people like you keep claiming that he said it like you can wish it into existence. If he says it in private, fine… Even if he said it in public… Veterans under Trump got better care (IME). Actions speak louder than words as the adage goes. Biden both speaks and acts as if the Military is a burden on him. Where at “worst” trump said one thing in private… and then takes actions to better millions of veterans lives. It’s an obvious “win” here.
Edit: Ah shit! I see you edited the comment while I was making this one… Let’s address the shit you ninja’d in there…
Trump is a convicted rapist
So not child rapist as you claimed? Why are you lying to get your point across then?
The Biden assaulting his daughter thing has been debunked https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-diary-afraid/
This isn’t what I said… nor the claim I made. You can read the diary for yourself. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ashley-biden-leaked-diary-accusation/ This is the claim I’m referencing. And here’s the diary you can read yourself. https://archive.org/details/ashley-biden-diary/page/n43/mode/2up. My claim here is that I view showering with your daughters as a form of sexual abuse(and I understand that this is subjective), I never said assault. I have 2 daughters, I’ve never once showered with them. I’ve bathed them… I’ve made them shower (shampoo’d their hair, etc…). I’ve never showered with them. I would also argue that many of the topics Ashley covers in her diary should not have been able to happen if Biden was actually a decent father. But that’s a different topic all together.
As for project 2025 it was written by his advisors, along with the heritage foundation (who worked closely with his administration as well).
So you’re not going to tell me how it’s fascist? I’m giving you that it’s probably Christian-based. From what I read it follows a lot of Christian beliefs… But point me to anything in there that’s fascist. Here’s a copy of it for you. https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Once again… Please show me SPECIFICALLY what policy he’s pushing that’s going to force fascism?
Why did you ignore both questions and dodge them into other points that were barely related?
Sorry I did change my post, it wasn’t 'ninjaing" to realize I made a mistake. I realized he is only accused of child rape, so even for a shit like Trump I should have still said ‘accused’ at least. But he still a convicted rapist, that alone should disqualify him.
On that note, I had heard the Biden accusations were false, and that she had disavowed that stuff, hence my comments. If it’s true, he should be disqualified too I agree. (Again, Id someone else running on the democratic ticket, as I said). Im a parent too, and that is extremely fucked up if true.
So if I don’t lay out everything in a 900 page document you don’t believe Trump might try some authoritarian stuff? It doesn’t take long to find it.
Here are a few highlights outlined in project 2025 that would effectively make Trump a dictator:
"The Project 2025 blueprint proposes abolishing the Department of Education, transforming the FBI into a political task force, reinstituting what’s known as Schedule F. That’s an executive authority that would be instituted by Trump to grow the number of political appointees across the civil service.
And they also want to install roughly 20,000 loyal civil servants across agencies. And they have been preparing for this. Project 2025 leaders have called those loyalists — quote — “conservative warriors.” They have called them an army. They have called — of weaponized conservatives.
And they want to essentially make lawyers across all federal agencies, not just the Justice Department, any legal counsel, they want to make them loyal Trump — loyal — loyalists to Trump."
Project 2025 also includes (quotes from a PBS article)
"Specifically on restricting LGBTQ rights, what that details is reinstating a transgender military ban, limiting LGBTQ workplace discrimination protections. Currently, under the law, sexual orientation, and gender identity are protected. It would rescind health care protections for transgender people and urge Congress to define gender as male and female, fixed at birth.
Trump has repeatedly said, also, William, that he would ban gender-affirming care for minors. And this playbook makes pretty clear that his plan — this plan also is trying to stop any and all acknowledgement of an acceptance of gender identity and LGBTQ people, period.
And so, throughout this blueprint, there’s some pretty striking language where government — saying that government officials should only recognize marriages between a man and a woman and that a man and a woman are the ideal natural family structure.
Also, in addition to that, William, Trump has outlined a number of policies that essentially help minority groups and that they would be on the chopping block. So, when it comes to Project 2025 cuts to diversity, what the plan would do is delete diversity, equity and inclusion from every piece of legislation, remove diversity, equity, inclusion offices from federal agencies, curtail the teaching of race and racism, and urge Congress to ban federal funds for Critical Race Theory training.
Essentially, William, Trump has vowed on the campaign trail to terminate all DEI programs."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-second-trump-presidency-could-impact-the-lgbtq-community I have trans friends and family, this is very fucked up.
Add to that three of his appointed conservative supreme court justices just gave him immunity to do basically anything (as long as he claims it’s ‘official’), and his calling leftists extremists and “vermin” to be rooted out and punishing anyone who doesn’t fall in line, saying migrants should fight for entertainment…
Another article outlining Trump and the GOPs authoritarian plans: https://www.salon.com/2023/10/09/the-rights-red-caesar-plan-a-new-order-keeps-marching-forward/
I wasn’t aware of Biden doing those things or saying such things about veterans, and I really wasn’t trying to gloss over it or change the subject. I shouldn’t assume just because I haven’t heard it, it isn’t true - and as someone on the left I’ve only heard of Trump’s negatives in this regard. I won’t pretend I know, or understand what it’s like to be so disrespected after serving. Also, I’m sorry if I made you feel disrespected, I wasn’t trying to do that.
But I still think Trump is clearly the more dangerous choice - hell any Republican would be seeing what they’ve done in red states, not to mention how he plans on not conceding if he loses. (Not how democracy works)
I don’t think you can convince me otherwise, and I realize I’m going to change your mind either. (But I will be more careful in future talking about military issues I know squat about) Sorry if I missed a few points and questions, it’s not deliberate if I did.
He lies about everything, as recently as yesterday saying inflation is down when it’s not. It just increased at a slower pace but still went up. He says inflation was 9% when he took office. Again, not true. It was 1.4%. He said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. Here’s just a few other things Fabricated tale of getting arrested for trying to see Nelson Mandela: Biden has been accused of lying about being arrested in the 1970s for trying to visit Nelson Mandela, who was imprisoned in South Africa. In reality, Biden has admitted that he never met Mandela or was arrested for trying to visit him. Claim about being at Ground Zero the day after 9/11: Biden has been accused of lying about being at Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, the day after the 9/11 attacks. In reality, Biden did not visit Ground Zero until nine days after the attacks. False claim about his family’s background: Biden has been accused of lying about his family’s background, specifically claiming that he was the first in his family to attend college. In reality, his maternal grandfather attended Santa Clara University, and his own father spent a year at Johns Hopkins University. Lies about the economy and inflation: Biden has been accused of lying about the state of the economy and inflation, claiming that prices are not rising and that the economy is strong. In reality, inflation has been rising, and many Americans are struggling to make ends meet. False claims about Israel and Hamas: Biden has been accused of lying about Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip, claiming that Israel was engaging in “indiscriminate bombing” when in reality, Israel was responding to Hamas rocket attacks. Lies about his own record and accomplishments: Biden has been accused of lying about his own record and accomplishments, including his time as Vice President and his presidency. False claims about the border surge and immigration: Biden has been accused of lying about the border surge and immigration, claiming that the surge is “seasonal” and that his administration is doing everything it can to address the issue. Lies about his son Hunter Biden’s business dealings: Biden has been accused of lying about his son Hunter Biden’s business dealings, including his involvement with the Ukrainian energy company Burisma.
Most all of these sound like easily refutable right wing talking points. Especially the hunter biden laptop, where has this been covered by a legit news source? I thought it was debunked as a disinformation campaign.
He tried passing legislation to help the border crisis but the Republicans killed it.
It’s been covered by all of the Conservative/Republican news networks, and it was entered into evidence in Hunters gun trial. They used it to help convict him. He did try passing legislation on the border but it was legislation that would have just increased the traffic coming across. The purpose of that bill was to help process them faster. It didn’t do anything to secure the border and stop the flow. Republicans passes a bill long before that one that would have actually secured it and shut it down but Dems stopped it in the Senate.
sadly your comment could apply to both candidates
Not exactly. Biden is a really bad liar, while Trump has mastered the “yes, no, and a tangent” tactic.
Staaaahp…a politician lying???
oh deary me!
Yeah, I know…
Still, there is a difference between simply lying, vs. saying everything and the opposite just to be able to cherry pick afterwards and claim not having lieday all.
Y’all are just pushing this narrative daily aren’t you? It’s really transparent
My brother in christ I am just posting the top political headline
I’m not really worried about Biden’s age, only about his ability to win.
I am voting AGAINST Trump and his administration. Trump is not fit for office for a number of reasons.
Biden returned us to a level of normalcy in the executive branch; he’s performed his duties better than I actually expected, despite the GOP controlling the house and doing almost nothing legislatively for the 2nd half of his term. If Biden kicks the bucket after getting elected, that is fine; his administration will be in place, the VP will take over to serve out the remainder of his term, and in four years we will have a chance at someone else. Biden will have served his country well in that.
Fact of the matter is, Biden isn’t going to step down, stop buggering out about his age. Six months ago to a year ago, his mental fitness was fine. Now he is finally starting to show his age in that regard, but he still cares about this country, and holds American democracy as a truth in his heart. If I hear one more old person in their 70’s (Schumer) and 80’s (Pelosi) call for Biden to step down, I will expect for people to also call for those old farts to step down, before they get Feinsteined.
For anyone that is voting against Trump, it is simple: If Biden doesn’t step down, vote for Biden. If Biden steps down, you vote for whoever steps up in his place.
If someone is actually fine with Trump winning, then this message isn’t for you.
Perfectly written!
Here is his fantastic Detroit speech from today.
Hard to fuck up when you’re reading 100% from a teleprompter. Click to a random spot in the video where he’s talking. Notice his face is ALWAYS locked on a specific location. Literally the glass panes that you can see. That’s the teleprompter. He seems to favor the one on his right.
So you think he did a good job? We agree.
But I thought the narrative was that he was a senile old man who can put two words together? When you watched his responses to reporters at his NATO press conference, he wasn’t going from a teleprompter and spoke well on policy issues. But yeah, he makes mistakes when speaking, so his ability to talk policy doesn’t matter I guess.
So you think he did a good job? We agree.
No. I don’t hand out trophies for reading words off a screen. My 7 year old daughter can do that.
So you are ignoring the part about his NATO policy comments. I guess so you can stick with what you’ve already decided. Got it.
You want me to ignore 95% of the speech to address comments at the end that amounts to literal moments? And judge his “fantastic” speech on just those moments…
It’s not a matter of me “already deciding” something… It’s being objective.
When the man is forced to talk off prompter for longer than literal moments. He fails… EVERY time. And even oftentimes fails ON prompter. But for some reason this 90 seconds or so proves otherwise for you. This speaks more for you than for me.
The speech was exceptional and every politician uses a teleprompter. So there is nothing to ignore. His SOTU was exceptional and one of the best I have heard in my life. His speech prior to his responses to reporters at NATO was ok. His mistakes were unfortunate but the content was very good and critically important to what we need. His responses unscripted to reporters on policy were excellent.
"He fails… EVERY time. " except when he doesn’t.
He is the dem candidate. Like every person he has his faults and I don’t agree with him on everything. I’d like to see a progressive instead but that is not realistic right now, so he has my support. Otherwise you are supporting the felon, Putin, Orban and insanity.
Otherwise you are supporting the felon, Putin, Orban and insanity.
And this is where you’re wrong. I can support “nothing”. Until either side actually puts up a reasonable fucking choice. I’ll choose to support myself, and that’s it.
Edit: Are you vote botting yourself? The same people are upvoting your comment… hours apart. Very odd that the same couple people are upvoting all your stuff hours apart on a thread they presumably would read once and move on from.
Are we meant to believe that this is a real criticism?
Of Biden? No… of the commenter for claiming the speech was “Fantastic” when it was just read off a teleprompter? Yes…
