I can’t wait to see the leopards ate my face memes when Trump gets voted in and sends US troops in to help Israel.
Absolute nonsense
As opposed to now, when Biden actually US troops in to help Israel?
citation please
OSINT Shows U.S. Deploying More Arms and Troops to Israel, Cyprus and Jordan
Close to 80 U.S. military planes and dozens of leased civilian aircraft are hauling equipment, with massive arms airlift to Israel and Cyprus and fighter squadrons and special forces in Jordan
See also the fake aid bullshit that serves no one but Israeli interests:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_floating_pier
And also:
Over the past year, numerous outlets have reported that US and UK military aircraft have increasingly arrived at Britain’s RAF Akrotiri base in Cyprus last year, in an effort to reportedly assist Israeli forces in their offensive on Gaza by supplying arms and ammunition and conducting surveillance to collect and provide intelligence.
Or you know, even before Oct 7th, when Israel was already and still an apartheid ethno state practicing ethnic cleansin: https://www.army.mil/article/267671/u_s_army_convoy_operation_to_israel
Sure the US troops aren’t firing the bullets. But they are supplying them, supplying targeting intelligence, etc etc. That’s pretty much just as bad.
Fuck this thing veneer of respectability.
Those troops were sent to Jordan, not Israel.
And because you editted: Intel is not ‘just as bad’ as actually shooting bullets. It probably even helps as actual intel of terrorist movements might prevent innocent deaths
“I’ve directed my team to share intelligence and deploy additional experts from across the United States government to consult with and advise the Israeli counterparts on hostage recovery efforts,”
not fighting.
One is defending international civilian shipping, not Israel. The other is shooting down drones which is not the problem ya’ll are talking about right?
It’s not even to the point. A Trump (the guy who had a private personal meeting behind the closed doors of his owned home with Netanyahu, and came out wiping his chin) presidency would see all of your gripes and far more committed to Israel. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face bitching about the lesser of 2 evils.
Read the second link too.
I can’t wait to see the leopards ate my face memes when Kamala gets voted in and sends US troops in to help Israel.
Absolute nonsense.
They’re sending drones and bombs and the only casualties are mostly Palestinians families. US troops would literally be useless, or worse, a hindrance to isrealis troops, because they wouldn’t be able to randomly shoot at any neighborhood to cause maximum casualties anymore.
you should read “Kill Anything That Moves” by Nick Turse. American troops would absolutely revel in causing maximum casualties, there would be no conflict between US troops and the IDF.
As opposed to the Republican’s Final Solution?
It’s only a Final Solution if it comes from the GOP, otherwise it’s “sparkling genocide.”
Republicans: “we’re going to keep giving weapons to Israel so they can get the job done.” The Nazi party is straight up telling us what they’re going to do.
Democrats: the same thing as above but couched in complacent, obscure language about “reducing casualties”.
It’s time we simply be honest about the reality and stop making this a D vs R, working class vs working class thing. At the core of the Gaza genocide, the message is essentially the same.
Kamala has stated that she won’t place a weapons embargo on Israel because they have a “right to defend themselves”. She may have a full ceasefire mindset personally, no one will ever know, but the US government collective won’t allow it. That’s just the way the war machine works. As soon as they pull the plug on funding Israel, Israel becomes an enemy they are suddenly matched with due to the mass amount of our own weapons we’ve been sending them for decades. Our government has painted itself into a corner, and a continued alliance with Israel ensures that we have a control point in the Middle East.
It should also be noted that Kamala has taken something like $200k+ worth of AIPAC money, but Walz hasn’t taken any as far as I can tell. Not personally a fan of Kamala, but I have cautious optimism with Walz.
Thing is that trump still has close to 50% support along with the rest of the republicans and that support is not going to falter due to whats happening in israel. The rebulicans need to lose every time and go away so the dems can split into a proper left and right. They are also the best chance at election reform that might make the us system more multi party. We can only move left if the right is not a winning strategy.
We’ve pretty much been forced into a “don’t let the Nazis take control again” position.
Yeah its gotten ridiculously bad. Honestly I wish I could like push my current brain into my teenage brain as while I was always environmentally conscious and USliberal/left. I wish I was more cognizant of just how much republicans did not care about it and were just going to get worse and worse. Now that they are just full mask off (or just not trying honestly with the whopper type lies you would have to be a fool to believe). I did not vote republican at the national level but had voted third party a few times but luckily not in one were the republican one but that was really just happenstance.
The rebulicans need to lose every time and go away so the dems can split into a proper left and right.
This is ahistorical. The republicans don’t have support because they exist, they exist because their ideas are popular. Fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, there will not be a proper left and right ever. Not that there can be a “proper right.” They will only go away if Capitalism also goes away.
Not only that, but a Left Party cannot gain the donors necessary to maintain power within a Capitalist democracy, the ones with the money and power to influence the government will not work against their own interests.
They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go. Just curbed greatly. Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism. But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
They have not always been like this and capitalism is simply not going to go away as folks like myself do not want to see it go.
Capitalism is declining. Fascism is rising as a response to this, as disparity grows, and the Rate of Profit falls, the middle and upper classes (small and large business owners, essentially) unite against the lower classes, ie wage laborers. Capitalism will go away regardless of your wishes, it is unsustainable in the long run.
Just curbed greatly.
What’s your plan to get this to happen? Without a plan, there’s nothing separating ideals from fantasy.
Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.
Production of commodities for the sake of profit among individual Capital owners competing in a market, via wage laborers.
But basically Im fine with a monetary system where folks can buy and sell for profit in order to determine how to allot resources of relative value (ie I will pay more for a south facing even if everything is the same or for a first floor or for a top floor or I don’t care and will grab the lowest priced one)
What are you arguing against here, where you don’t believe you can present your individual interests?
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in. So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining. My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it. Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
If capitalism goes away I don’t see it being followed up with a working society that would be preferable to live in.
Why not? Socialism solves the contradictions within Capitalism.
So while I don’t think its innevitable I agree in its current form it is declining.
Do you have a reason to believe the Tendency for the Rate of Profit to Fall can be eliminated entirely, not just temporarily avoided by, say, outsourcing production to countries with lower cost of living? That’s already been done.
My plan to get it to happen is democracy. We have to use the leverage we have currently to maximize equal say in government and work towards it.
That has never worked in the long run, in history. The ones with the power to influence government are the ones with the money, this problem is getting far worse. What is your actual, practicible plan?
Im not arguing against anything im arguing for the buying and selling of property as an individual to determine what property I will own for things that make sense for an individual to own (so like not education or healthcare) but we have to prevent accumulation of to much property/weatlh/power via regulation like I said before.
You can do that under systems other than Capitalism, why are you tied to it? That’s why I asked what you’re arguing against, that’s like saying you want Capitalism because you want the sun to rise.
How do you take away power from the people who make the laws? Convincing them it’s the right thing to do?
This goes back to a small part of my statement a few replies back. “Now granted it depends on what you mean by capitalism.” If everything I wrote about personal property and profit are fine in your socialism and its a democracy then im fine with it but I would call your socialism a blend of socialism and capitalism which in my view is actually regulated capitalist system.
Gotta defeat Vlad first.
If you want to fix this, your path is easy:
- Vote Democratic in the general election because there’s never going to be a anti-genocide Republican. Ever.
- Take a page out of the Republican playbook and campaign against AIPAC-backed Democratic candidates in primaries.
Complaining about candidates in the general election is too late and actually depresses Democratic turnout. You need to dot he hard work of signing up registered voters and getting good candidates at every level.
Democratic voters have a big problem with not showing up in off-cycle and local elections, and that abdication of responsibility is largely why the corporate wing of the party has the influence that it does. Republican voters show up to every single election, even the primary for town dog catcher.
If you want to fix this, your path is easy:
- Vote Democratic in the general election because there’s never going to be a anti-genocide Republican. Ever.
- Take a page out of the Republican playbook and campaign against AIPAC-backed Democratic candidates in primaries.
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Why do you think there will be anti-genocide democrats? There don’t seem to be any that approach any position of power. Why do you think genocide is supported in the first place?
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Why do you think “vote harder” is the answer? What financial interests would support anti-genocide? Why does AIPAC exist and why does it have power?
Complaining about candidates in the general election is too late and actually depresses Democratic turnout. You need to dot he hard work of signing up registered voters and getting good candidates at every level.
Complaints come from the very real fact that the Democrats are actively supporting genocide. The blame for depressed turnout is not on the people unhappy with genocide, but on the ones supporting genocide. Voting for genocide even harder isn’t going to work against genocide.
Democratic voters have a big problem with not showing up in off-cycle and local elections, and that abdication of responsibility is largely why the corporate wing of the party has the influence that it does. Republican voters show up to every single election, even the primary for town dog catcher.
Wrong order of operations. The corporate wing has the most power because they are the reason the Democrats have any power, by sucking up to their donors. The progressives are kept on a leash and allowed to bark so that the working class thinks they have a real voice, despite the reality that Capitalists will remain in control. This drives away voters, yes, but keeps funding up.
About 1/4th of the downvotes on this post are from zero-content accounts. Likely some US democratic-party astroturfing going on like they did on reddit.
Thank you for pointing out the astroturfing. Would it be possible to implement a filter which diminishes or ignores the vote count of astroturfing accounts?
There’s a few proposals in the github issues, such as making all votes transparent, and an option to block federated downvotes.
And how may of the upvotes are from “zero-content accounts”?
2 state solution? Why do we need two Palestines?
RAID 1 backup.
Rather than “Democrats” you should put “US no matter what”
