• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Espionage is 100% a crime. You may disagree with it being a crime but it’s illegal in every country.

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      6 months ago

      Revealing Chinese war crimes is also a crime in China.

      If China forcefully extradites an American journalists because the journalist leaks secret Chinese state documents of Uyghur concentration camps… would you be defending China because the journalist did something “illegal”?

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        6 months ago

        Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime.

        And before you answer, I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Which falls under the heading of journalists needing to be aware of the realities of where they’re going. It’s just not American journalists because we still have a bigger stick for now.

        So again, let me know when the NYT is running information operations to discredit China. Exposing Human Rights violations is not what Assange is guilty of.

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          Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime.

          No that’s not true. Only the country demanding the extradition has to mark someone as a criminal. Often extradition treaties are made so if one country marks someone as a criminal and they flee somewhere else, that country will deliver them the criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

          In this case America is heavily abusing the extradition treaty by marking a journalist as a criminal because he leaked evidence of war crimes.

          I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them.

          Accusing America of violating press freedom doesn’t mean I’m somehow defending Chinese press freedom. There’s a reason I’m equating America to China here.

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            6 months ago

            Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It’s detailed in the comment above.

            And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power.

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              6 months ago

              Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist.

              So you’re saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal?

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                That’s not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist.

                Here’s the comment you have yet to substantively respond to.

                So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I’ll call Assange a journalist.

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                    6 months ago

                    Yes, and the “Iraq War Logs”. So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage.

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        6 months ago

        I don’t think they were “defending” anyone. It was just a statement of fact.