We’ve had access to capable guns for a very long time and mass shootings only became a thing in the 90s.
Dude, don’t. This took 2 seconds to find. There’s more that I’m aware of just from memory too. Also, the white guys thing.
The manual of arms being different isn’t a big a deal. We train people on everything between pistols and belt fed machineguns. There’s no reason to expect the manual of arms would be a large barrier to an actual militia fighting alongside the military. In fact standardizing an official “militia rifle” would help prevent people from showing up with 4 or 5 distinct modes of firearm.
I actually agree about the social problems leading to a larger number of events. But that’s not working, it sounds like a cop out because that’s how it’s been used. And in the reality of things, toys get taken away when we can’t responsibly use them. For the large majority of people that’s all an AR-15 is, an expensive toy. If we can’t treat them seriously then the kids are going to grow up to repeal the 2nd amendment and ban all civilian guns. We’ve had them running duck and cover style drills for most of their lives and that’s coming home to roost.
So rather than throw this off on the traditional cop out, even if we admit it’s been used that way, we need to figure something out if we want to still have a 2nd amendment in 10-20 years. And I think the two best ways to do that are to define a low capacity rifle with internal magazine as the militia weapon we can have personally or to treat rifles with external magazines as military rifles that live in lock up until your scheduled range day or training weekend with a local reserve unit.
Dude, don’t. This took 2 seconds to find. There’s more that I’m aware of just from memory too. Also, the white guys thing.
Individual counter examples do not negate trend lines and you know it. I’ll try to come back later when I’m on my computer and link a few government reports that clearly demonstrate the mass shooter phenomenon as we know it properly started in the 90s. I don’t have the documents on my phone and I don’t remember the titles so I can’t Google them.
I don’t consider fixing systemic issues in society to be a cop-out. I genuinely want to do all of those changes and more. There’s plenty of people who would consider suggesting gun law reform a cop-out, since it’s equally as unlikely to pass. Biden just suggested we bring back the assault weapons ban for the 70th time in his presidency (that’s the actual number), so you can judge how well that’s going.
I’d love to solve those issues. I’m just being real about what’s likely to happen first. Rich people stop extracting wealth from our literal health and sanity or we ban guns because there was never any good faith conversation on reform.
I know where my money is and I’d like to avoid that and the political violence I’m pretty sure the losing third would enact over it.
Dude, don’t. This took 2 seconds to find. There’s more that I’m aware of just from memory too. Also, the white guys thing.
The manual of arms being different isn’t a big a deal. We train people on everything between pistols and belt fed machineguns. There’s no reason to expect the manual of arms would be a large barrier to an actual militia fighting alongside the military. In fact standardizing an official “militia rifle” would help prevent people from showing up with 4 or 5 distinct modes of firearm.
I actually agree about the social problems leading to a larger number of events. But that’s not working, it sounds like a cop out because that’s how it’s been used. And in the reality of things, toys get taken away when we can’t responsibly use them. For the large majority of people that’s all an AR-15 is, an expensive toy. If we can’t treat them seriously then the kids are going to grow up to repeal the 2nd amendment and ban all civilian guns. We’ve had them running duck and cover style drills for most of their lives and that’s coming home to roost.
So rather than throw this off on the traditional cop out, even if we admit it’s been used that way, we need to figure something out if we want to still have a 2nd amendment in 10-20 years. And I think the two best ways to do that are to define a low capacity rifle with internal magazine as the militia weapon we can have personally or to treat rifles with external magazines as military rifles that live in lock up until your scheduled range day or training weekend with a local reserve unit.
Individual counter examples do not negate trend lines and you know it. I’ll try to come back later when I’m on my computer and link a few government reports that clearly demonstrate the mass shooter phenomenon as we know it properly started in the 90s. I don’t have the documents on my phone and I don’t remember the titles so I can’t Google them.
I don’t consider fixing systemic issues in society to be a cop-out. I genuinely want to do all of those changes and more. There’s plenty of people who would consider suggesting gun law reform a cop-out, since it’s equally as unlikely to pass. Biden just suggested we bring back the assault weapons ban for the 70th time in his presidency (that’s the actual number), so you can judge how well that’s going.
I’d love to solve those issues. I’m just being real about what’s likely to happen first. Rich people stop extracting wealth from our literal health and sanity or we ban guns because there was never any good faith conversation on reform.
I know where my money is and I’d like to avoid that and the political violence I’m pretty sure the losing third would enact over it.