• masterofn001@lemmy.ca
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      If we are more complex than anything ever, and vastly so, haven’t we disproven the theory / broken the curse?

      What is the baseline / threshold / limit for complexity before a society collapses?

      Is it just human nature to destroy itself?

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        You should probably know that historically societies collapsing has typically resulted in improved health of the lower classes as judged by skeletons in the archeological record.

        We should not really understand societies collapsing as a violent or spectacular thing. It’s usually just growth slowing, people move away, the ability of states to enforce taxes and provide services weakens and people work out their own stuff.

        I’m not saying society is collapsing, just that if it does it’ll probably look more like declining birthrates and movement away from cities and advanced manufacturing to more agrarian lifestyle. Also that for the poor and downtrodden this will probably, on average, be an improvement.

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      meaningless. what does it mean for a society to be complex? what does “collapse” entail? if a certain amount complexity makes a society collapse, why are we more complex than ever? shouldn’t society have collapsed before this point?

      just a bunch of nonsensical words strung together to mean nothing more than “i don’t understand some things and it makes me afraid”. literally the mindset of people who think trans people existing will lead to the downfall of society.

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        On top of that assuming societies get more complex over time, of course a collapse would always happen when they are the most complex.

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          When people get too old, the next step is death. We are now older than we have ever been!