Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari
Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.
I’m not saying that I trust Hamas. For the record, I don’t.
I’m just saying that I don’t trust the IDF either, infamous as they are for being caught lying constantly.
Right, but you know hamas believes jews should be wiped from this earth, and you know this current war began because of specific steps Hamas chose to take to attempt to make that goal a reality, you know the mistreatment they have displayed towards the hostages.
So for you to say that there is a 99% chance that Hamas is innocent of these killings, that’s a specific choice you are making for conspiricism.
That’s irrelevant. They’re not in a position where doing so is possible, and killing their only leverage against a technologically and numerically superior force is not in their interest.
The Israeli people thinking that they did, on the other hand, is VERY much in the interest of the IDF.
Nope. Atrocious and barbaric beyond description as it was, October 7th was a political act, not a foolhardy attempt to kill all Jewish people.
Just because they’re despicable terrorists doesn’t mean that Hamas are stupid enough to think that the total eradication of all Israeli Jews, let alone all Jews worldwide, is something that is in any way possible.
And it’s not a war. It’s one of the biggest, most powerful, and most technologically advanced militaries in the history of humanity eradicating or displacing an entire people, using a tiny minority (that is nowhere near as much a threat as they pretend) as a pretense.
Talking about Hamas or Israel? Because the only significant differences with regards to hostages is that Israel has hundreds if not thousands as many that they abuse just as horribly as Hamas does theirs.
Again ignoring the qualifier, so I’m gonna make it a little more obvious:
As long as an IDF spokesperson is the ONLY source
Nope, that’s a statement of how unreliable the IDF and their spokespeople have proven themselves to be. Repeatedly leaving out that part, though? THAT’S a specific choice.
No, Hamas, beliefs and actions are not irrelevant to the situation we are currently in. That is foolish.
Describing terrorists committing a terrorist act as a “political” action is incredibly forgiving of the behavior of terrorists.
An elected government invading and attacking a different country is an act of war, regardless of whether the nation they attacked is militarily superior. Hamas made a decision to go to war, and claiming they didn’t is factually wrong.
I don’t personally feel any need to justify the behavior of any right wing religious fundamentalist organization against their hostages. The fact that we are in a situation where two organizations fitting that description are behaving badly and you have chosen a side says something about you that it doesn’t me.
Palestine is not a country. They’re basically part of Israel. Israel controls their money, imports, exports, travel into and out of it, they’re water spaces, air spaces, energy, trash, water, etc. It’s not a war if a military starts killing huge amounts of civilians, which so what’s happening here. It’s a genocide. It was terrorism to get hostages to extract concessions on Israel’s horrible policies towards Palestine, where they’ve been slowly eradicating people and taking territory for decades without any sign of help from the outside world in slowing their slow rolling ethnic cleansing.
If you automatically believe the IDF after their long history of blatant lies, then you’ve take a side whether you believe yourself superior and neutral, or not.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. GAZA AND west Bank are officially recognized as “the state of Palestine.”
We have to be factual here.
Israel supported Hamas’ rise to power, despite the objections of the Palestinians. Israel is responsible for the Hamas’ power over Gazans. It gives their ethnic cleansing plausible deniability.
The Palestinians elected Hamas, did they not?
While this is all very entertaining, the very definition of terrorism is using terror to achieve political or ideological goals. Otherwise it’s just mass murder, genocide, or whatever.
So if the political goals of the Palestinian government are to kill as many Palestinians as possible, why are the anti-Israel protests not a joint protest of both Israel and Palestine?
Why is the role of Hamas minimized?
You may not know the answer or be willing to say it, but I certainly know the answer and am under no obligation to not say it.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The actions of Hamas are terrible, and inevitable due to the equally reprehensible actions of Israel. That still has no bearing on the definition of the word terrorism.
No, the actions of Hamas were not inevitable. That is absolving them of moral culpability.
But thank you for proving my point that this is not a pro-Palestine movement, but rather an anti-Israeli movement.
Occupied people have a right to resist under international law.
Inevitable is perhaps too strongly worded. But it is very likely and completely unexpected. Netenyahu sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind, to the detriment of Israel and Israelis. Sure, there are movements such as Gandhi and Polish solidarity which were primarily non-violent, but they very much appear to be exceptions and not the rule. But I also love how the only point I raised against your statements is the only thing you haven’t addressed in responses to me.
Watching you go above and beyond the things you’re accusing somebody else of has been entertaining.
We get it, you’re down with genocide and whatever justifies it. Feel like just saying that would have been easier. 🤷♂️
I’m sure it emotionally feels better for you to pretend I am down with genocide than it is to actually confront and respond to anything I said.
Kind of seems like fox News level intellectual cowardice on your part though.
Your attempt to goad me into a conversation I’ve ALREADY WATCHED YOU HAVE is precisely the level of troll bullshit I expect from you right wing shit nuggets.
“OhhhHHhHHh I’m a centrist I don’t trust either side (but I’m only going to attack one side and accuse one side of wrongdoing, except when I spend precisely 4 words out of 3,000 to say ‘I don’t trust IDF’ to prove how centrist I am.)”
Every conservative accusation is a confession. Anyway, fuck you and everybody like you. Blocking you now because I don’t owe troll “teehee you can’t prove anything about me unless you have a signed confession in triplicate” faschies my time.
Lol I am not a conservative, but yes, block if you are unable to defend a position.
Islam prophet died and the only possession he had was a shield owned by his jew neighbour.
Any person of faith, including hamas, dont believe in “Jewish genocide” it goes against the religion.
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I trust journalists that have proven themselves reliable, even as that puts them directly in the crosshairs of the genocidal apartheid regime.
Never claimed any such thing. Please stow your strawman.
What, Al Jazeera and Guardian? Ha.
Both have proven track record of genocidal tendencies. Both are proven terrorists even if only one of them is a designated terrorist organisation.
So taking any statement made by any of them unverified with a boat load of salt is not only prudent it is necessary.