That’s a pretty harsh thing to say about one of the most talented and dedicated open source devs around. It’s also no longer true, he stepped down from his post in the GrapheneOS team a few months ago.
They have trouble interacting with people. Although I got frustrated with their behavior from time to time, nor do I in anyway endorse their behavior; I do not believe they are acting out of ill intent.
I do believe they need to get some help though.
I personally go to therapist sometimes; I think they would benefit from the same help that we have access to.
It is truly unfortunate (and informative), the situation with Daniel. But they have stepped down from the project, so safe to say this won’t be an issue.
It’s been two years, so I’m not 100% sure, but I recall it being very detailed and convincing. Techlore’s main argument against using GrapheneOS is that “Leadership reflects the project.” Since the person in question stepped down, the project should be fine, now, even if that holds true. (Personally, I installed GrapheneOS despite that video.)
To get out of my bubble, I’ve also searched for a meta-video about the Techlore/GrapheneOS dev drama. I came to this frankly ridiculous video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjCM8srhTW4
I’m 7 minutes in, and having not seen Tom Sparks before, he pretty much ruined his reputation with me already. He tries find evidence of Techlore being toxic by searching for his own name. His “evidence” of toxicity is literally people saying that Tom Sparks has a bad reputation and that specific videos or recommendations by him are bad. Literal case of “all criticism is toxic”.
Later, I paused when he scrolled through the dozens of mentions he brings as “evidence”, and nearly everything is either neutral. Even the negative posts seem to be more about how is takes on various topics are, apparently, bad enough to become a bit of a meme.
Even his interpretations of what he quotes directly from Techlore are stretchy at times.
The fact that this is the supportive evidence of Techlore being toxic, my faith in Techlore being a good creator is fortified.
Does anyone else find it strange that three separate replies to this post use the words “unfortunate and informative?” Same guy with sock accts, bots, or just “unfortunate and informative” has been added to the lexicon today in the fashion of “cap” or “bet?”
Either way I guess it’s unfortunate and informative.
I can’t tell if you are asking in jest or seriously, but if you really are wanting to know, the phrase comes from Louis Rossman’s video about his encounter with the creator/previous lead dev on GrapheneOS. The dev was flipping out at Rossman and threatening him despite his product being advertised for free. So Rossman publicized the conversation and called the whole interaction “unfortunate and informative.” It’s become a bit of a meme phrase for the people who watch him and within his ongoing videos.
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That’s a pretty harsh thing to say about one of the most talented and dedicated open source devs around. It’s also no longer true, he stepped down from his post in the GrapheneOS team a few months ago.
What did the team feel about him?
They have trouble interacting with people. Although I got frustrated with their behavior from time to time, nor do I in anyway endorse their behavior; I do not believe they are acting out of ill intent.
I do believe they need to get some help though. I personally go to therapist sometimes; I think they would benefit from the same help that we have access to.
Not a helpful comment.
Unfortunate and informative. Time to look into CalyxOS.
This is informative, and unfortunate.
It is truly unfortunate (and informative), the situation with Daniel. But they have stepped down from the project, so safe to say this won’t be an issue.
Good thing open source projects are… open and worked on by a bunch of people.
That’s a single person on a project with multiple contributors. He’s also since stepped down. You’re acting like he’s the sole guy.
https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/5235-stepping-down-as-project-leader-of-grapheneos
Ohhhhh, didn’t know that. I guess it’s time to try this OS again. 👌
Here’s the original Techlore video Rossmann is referring to: https://neat.tube/w/gctuauB8TRVxCWjwdGWr8d
It’s been two years, so I’m not 100% sure, but I recall it being very detailed and convincing. Techlore’s main argument against using GrapheneOS is that “Leadership reflects the project.” Since the person in question stepped down, the project should be fine, now, even if that holds true. (Personally, I installed GrapheneOS despite that video.)
To get out of my bubble, I’ve also searched for a meta-video about the Techlore/GrapheneOS dev drama. I came to this frankly ridiculous video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjCM8srhTW4
I’m 7 minutes in, and having not seen Tom Sparks before, he pretty much ruined his reputation with me already. He tries find evidence of Techlore being toxic by searching for his own name. His “evidence” of toxicity is literally people saying that Tom Sparks has a bad reputation and that specific videos or recommendations by him are bad. Literal case of “all criticism is toxic”.
Later, I paused when he scrolled through the dozens of mentions he brings as “evidence”, and nearly everything is either neutral. Even the negative posts seem to be more about how is takes on various topics are, apparently, bad enough to become a bit of a meme.
Even his interpretations of what he quotes directly from Techlore are stretchy at times.
The fact that this is the supportive evidence of Techlore being toxic, my faith in Techlore being a good creator is fortified.
Does anyone else find it strange that three separate replies to this post use the words “unfortunate and informative?” Same guy with sock accts, bots, or just “unfortunate and informative” has been added to the lexicon today in the fashion of “cap” or “bet?”
Either way I guess it’s unfortunate and informative.
I can’t tell if you are asking in jest or seriously, but if you really are wanting to know, the phrase comes from Louis Rossman’s video about his encounter with the creator/previous lead dev on GrapheneOS. The dev was flipping out at Rossman and threatening him despite his product being advertised for free. So Rossman publicized the conversation and called the whole interaction “unfortunate and informative.” It’s become a bit of a meme phrase for the people who watch him and within his ongoing videos.
No thanks for clueing me in, I was aware of the situation but nkt the meme phrase, felt real creepy to see in the wild for the uninitiated lol.
Seems to be a little bit of an effort to discredit OS projects or products used for it. I’ve seen it for GrapheneOS, Pixel, Firefox, GIMP.