The PRC is Socialist. The PRC’s Public Sector covers a little over half of their overall economy, and the cooperative sector covers a little under a tenth. The Private Sector is under strict guidance of the government, in a birdcage model, where the CPC increases ownership as the markets themselves form monopolist syndicates that make themselves candidates for central planning. Further, the Public Sector is over key, heavy industried and infrastructure that drive the Private Sector, like the steel industry.
This is all in line with a Marxist understanding of Socialism, a Dictatorship of the Proletariat gradually wresting Capital from the hands of the Bourgeoisie as the Bourgeoisie must necessarily centralize Capital, making it much easier to centrally plan. Before these syndicates have formed, Markets are a more effective vector of growth in the Productive Forces, and as they stagnate Public Ownership and Central Planning becomes more efficient. From Engels:
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
Exactly which part was idealism? I specifically analyzed the materialist base of the PRC. Their economy isn’t fully publicly owned, correct, but if that was the requirement for Socialism then every single instance of Socialism would be Capitalist right up until the last bit of Capital is folded in, which is nonsense idealism. Socialism is a transitional state to Communism.
You clearly said “as far as I know,” then refuse to engage with actual analysis. What’s the point? To show that you both don’t know and are unwilling to speak with a Marxist?
What you consider socialist is basically the same as the alt right’s “socialism is when the government does stuff. If it does all the stuff, it’s communism”.
It’s idealistic, because you think a capitalist society is socialist, as long as their leadership claims they’re communist.
You’re far too much simping for Lenin. I don’t considersit fruitful to argue with such a devout Leninist in a meme community.
What do you mean by the PRC “maximizing billionaires?” The PRC regularly cracks down on their bourgeosie, and the majority of the economy is in the Public Sector, not the Private. What do you mean by “no social services of any kind?” Large infrastructure projects like massive public transit, a much better and more comprehensive public healthcare system than the US, an elimination of extreme poverty in the last decade, the PRC is focusing on the working class. Xi himself is far less rich than most world leaders, can you explain how the PRC is built to "enrich him and his allies?
Further, I have no idea what you mean by “socialized healthcare is a Capitalist scheme to hold the proletariat back.” Capitalist concessions do exist in Social Democracies, but they aren’t holding the Proletariat back, Bourgeois control of the state is.
Are you trying to say that a Socialist country needs to have 100% of the economy fully socialized to be considered Socialist? What do you call a system transitioning from one system to the next?
Finally, are you trying to say that anyone who disagrees with you is a “Chinese AI bot?”
What on Earth are you talking about? The PRC eliminated extreme poverty, you absolutely would not be left to die on the street. You aren’t making any sense.
That’s easy to solve:
Are the workers in control of the means of production in China? Not as far as I know.
So, no: It’s not.
The PRC is Socialist. The PRC’s Public Sector covers a little over half of their overall economy, and the cooperative sector covers a little under a tenth. The Private Sector is under strict guidance of the government, in a birdcage model, where the CPC increases ownership as the markets themselves form monopolist syndicates that make themselves candidates for central planning. Further, the Public Sector is over key, heavy industried and infrastructure that drive the Private Sector, like the steel industry.
This is all in line with a Marxist understanding of Socialism, a Dictatorship of the Proletariat gradually wresting Capital from the hands of the Bourgeoisie as the Bourgeoisie must necessarily centralize Capital, making it much easier to centrally plan. Before these syndicates have formed, Markets are a more effective vector of growth in the Productive Forces, and as they stagnate Public Ownership and Central Planning becomes more efficient. From Engels:
I highly recommend you read the article What is Socialism? The PRC isn’t Anarchist, but it is Socialist. You’re also welcome to read my introductory Marxism reading list.
Spare me with your idealist excuses.
Exactly which part was idealism? I specifically analyzed the materialist base of the PRC. Their economy isn’t fully publicly owned, correct, but if that was the requirement for Socialism then every single instance of Socialism would be Capitalist right up until the last bit of Capital is folded in, which is nonsense idealism. Socialism is a transitional state to Communism.
You clearly said “as far as I know,” then refuse to engage with actual analysis. What’s the point? To show that you both don’t know and are unwilling to speak with a Marxist?
What you consider socialist is basically the same as the alt right’s “socialism is when the government does stuff. If it does all the stuff, it’s communism”.
It’s idealistic, because you think a capitalist society is socialist, as long as their leadership claims they’re communist.
You’re far too much simping for Lenin. I don’t considersit fruitful to argue with such a devout Leninist in a meme community.
Did you make a bet on how to embarrass yourself the most with any single comment? This has the potential.
Wow, you’re pathetic.
Coping much? Maybe try educating yourself instead of relying on your bloated ego.
Go look for other day old comments where some outside perspective gets downvoted in your echochamber. You certainly need the ego-boost. /s
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What do you mean by the PRC “maximizing billionaires?” The PRC regularly cracks down on their bourgeosie, and the majority of the economy is in the Public Sector, not the Private. What do you mean by “no social services of any kind?” Large infrastructure projects like massive public transit, a much better and more comprehensive public healthcare system than the US, an elimination of extreme poverty in the last decade, the PRC is focusing on the working class. Xi himself is far less rich than most world leaders, can you explain how the PRC is built to "enrich him and his allies?
Further, I have no idea what you mean by “socialized healthcare is a Capitalist scheme to hold the proletariat back.” Capitalist concessions do exist in Social Democracies, but they aren’t holding the Proletariat back, Bourgeois control of the state is.
Are you trying to say that a Socialist country needs to have 100% of the economy fully socialized to be considered Socialist? What do you call a system transitioning from one system to the next?
Finally, are you trying to say that anyone who disagrees with you is a “Chinese AI bot?”
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What on Earth are you talking about? The PRC eliminated extreme poverty, you absolutely would not be left to die on the street. You aren’t making any sense.
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