I just got a Galaxy S23 about 2 weeks ago. It came with Facebook and Swiftkey as well as a bunch of Microsoft Apps. But no Tiktok, Games or other crap. Even after updating the OS nothing like that had been installed.
My guess is that a lot of people do not read anything and just rush through the initial setup process, thereby confirming things like wanting recommended apps to be installed.
Also there are some mentions of rooting here. I suggest to first give adb a try. It lets you uninstall any app without rooting (including Facebook and Swiftkey in my case).
+1 for ADB. Online tutorials are dead simple to follow. De-facebooking my phone and killing Bixby are the two things that made me decide not to trade this in for an old Razer Phone instead.
Did you own a Galaxy before? For how long? In my experience Samsung does this through updates over time. Your S23 is good for up to about 6 years or until around 2028-2029; you will have this stuff pushed to your phone by end of 2024.
The problem with all the phone reviewers is they put zero thought/effort into the patterns of brands in how they support past models past mentioning how long you get security patches for. Reviewers just do not talk about this on past models in relation to new models.
I did not own one before, this is my first ever Samsung phone. So I can’t tell what they might or might not do in 6 years. Owning a phone for that long would be a first for me though. So far, all the Android phones I owned would stop receiving updates long before that.
pixel 7 pro launched at 900$. s23 ultra launched at 1,200$. not an insane difference there for the amoled screen, better cameras, and s-pen. let people buy what they want 😭😭
Yeah, the Samsung phones are such a great value. They only come with about 20 apps you can’t uninstall unless you do some convoluted bullshit, the UI they draw over Android is bloated and slow as hell, and Bixbie is awful. Oh cool, there’s a 200mp camera. Something that only pro photographers care about lol. My Pixel 7 Pro takes phenomenal pictures, too, and isn’t a nightmare to deal with. So much value!
Hate my 7 pro. Double tap light sometimes works, sometimes… The phone is over heating every fuckin time I open the cameras app which is rare as fuck. My fingerprint sensor works half the time unless I disable the extra I actually want that come with the phone. There’s a line the down the middle of my screen that appears randomly and it’s annoying which I think is part of my fingerprint issue. I miss my nexus Shamu that was a great Google phone.
Damn, I’m sorry you’ve had that experience with it. It sounds like you got a lemon. I’ve had every other Pixel phone since the first one, and never had any of those issues.
Oh cool, there’s a 200mp camera. Something that only pro photographers care about lol.
Oh this is a fun one! Trained, professional photographers generally don’t care either, since more megapixels aren’t guaranteed to make better photos.
Consider two sensors that take up the same physical space and capture light with the same efficiency/ability, but are 10 vs 40 megapixels. (Note: Realistically, a higher density would mean design trade-offs and more generous manufacturing tolerances.)
From a physics perspective, the higher megapixel sensor will collect the same amount of light spread over a more dense area. This means that the resolution of the captured light will be higher, but each single pixel will get less overall light.
When you zoom in to the individual pixels, the higher-resolution sensor will appear more noisy. This can be mitigated by pixel binning, which groups (or “bins”) those physical pixels into larger, virtual ones—essentially mimicking the lower-resolution sensor. Software can get crafty and try to use some more tricks to de-noise it without ruining the sharpness, though. Or if you could sit completely still for a few seconds, you could significantly lower the ISO and get a better average for each pixel.
Strictly from a physics perspective (and assuming the sensors are the same overall quality), higher megapixel sensors are better simply because you can capture more detail and end up with similar quality when you scale the picture down to whatever you’re comparing it against. More detail never hurts.
… Except when it does. Unless you save your photos as RAW (which take a massice amount of space), they’re going to be compressed into a lossy image format like JPEG. And the lovely thing about JPEG, is that it takes advantage of human vision to strip away visual information that we generally wouldn’t perceive, like slight color changes and high frequency details (like noise!)
And you can probably see where this is going: the way that the photo is encoded and stored destroys data that would have otherwise ensured you could eventually create a comparable (or better) photo. Luckily, though, the image is pre-processed by the camera software before encoding it as a JPEG, applying some of those quality-improving tricks before the data is lost. That leaves you at the mercy of the manufacturer’s software, however.
In summary: more megapixels is better in theory. In practice, bad software and image compression negate the advantages that a higher resolution provides, and higher-density sensors likely mean lower-quality data. Also, don’t expect more megapixels to mean better zoom. You would need an actual lense for that.
Did you buy the Pixel 7a second hand or something, or through a carrier? The whole point of the Pixel phones is they’re stock Android with zero unnecessary apps pre installed. Your shitty Samsung also has Android, but Samsung puts their own slow, bloated as hell interface over it. Not to mention all of the bloatware pre installed. Stop lying lmao.
It seems that you get so enraged by someone daring to like a different product than you that you lose your reading comprehension. I said the software design was terrible (i.e. how the menus were styled). I never said anything about bloatware. Also we already established that you have no idea what those phones actually cost and just throw around some made up numbers. Who’s the liar now?
I just got a Galaxy S23 about 2 weeks ago. It came with Facebook and Swiftkey as well as a bunch of Microsoft Apps. But no Tiktok, Games or other crap. Even after updating the OS nothing like that had been installed.
My guess is that a lot of people do not read anything and just rush through the initial setup process, thereby confirming things like wanting recommended apps to be installed.
Also there are some mentions of rooting here. I suggest to first give adb a try. It lets you uninstall any app without rooting (including Facebook and Swiftkey in my case).
Or you could just not buy a phone loaded down with shitty bloatware.
Sent from my Google Pixel 7 Pro
+1 for ADB. Online tutorials are dead simple to follow. De-facebooking my phone and killing Bixby are the two things that made me decide not to trade this in for an old Razer Phone instead.
Yeah, I had a similar experience. I got my phone directly from Samsung, so it’s also likely it might have just been the Carrier that did this.
The answer is literally in the second line of the screenshot: “Mobile Services Manager”, so yes, provider branding.
Did you own a Galaxy before? For how long? In my experience Samsung does this through updates over time. Your S23 is good for up to about 6 years or until around 2028-2029; you will have this stuff pushed to your phone by end of 2024.
The problem with all the phone reviewers is they put zero thought/effort into the patterns of brands in how they support past models past mentioning how long you get security patches for. Reviewers just do not talk about this on past models in relation to new models.
I did not own one before, this is my first ever Samsung phone. So I can’t tell what they might or might not do in 6 years. Owning a phone for that long would be a first for me though. So far, all the Android phones I owned would stop receiving updates long before that.
Or you could just not buy a $2k phone loaded down with shitty bloatware.
Sent from my $700 Google Pixel 7 Pro
pixel 7 pro launched at 900$. s23 ultra launched at 1,200$. not an insane difference there for the amoled screen, better cameras, and s-pen. let people buy what they want 😭😭
Yeah, the Samsung phones are such a great value. They only come with about 20 apps you can’t uninstall unless you do some convoluted bullshit, the UI they draw over Android is bloated and slow as hell, and Bixbie is awful. Oh cool, there’s a 200mp camera. Something that only pro photographers care about lol. My Pixel 7 Pro takes phenomenal pictures, too, and isn’t a nightmare to deal with. So much value!
Hate my 7 pro. Double tap light sometimes works, sometimes… The phone is over heating every fuckin time I open the cameras app which is rare as fuck. My fingerprint sensor works half the time unless I disable the extra I actually want that come with the phone. There’s a line the down the middle of my screen that appears randomly and it’s annoying which I think is part of my fingerprint issue. I miss my nexus Shamu that was a great Google phone.
Damn, I’m sorry you’ve had that experience with it. It sounds like you got a lemon. I’ve had every other Pixel phone since the first one, and never had any of those issues.
Oh this is a fun one! Trained, professional photographers generally don’t care either, since more megapixels aren’t guaranteed to make better photos.
Consider two sensors that take up the same physical space and capture light with the same efficiency/ability, but are 10 vs 40 megapixels. (Note: Realistically, a higher density would mean design trade-offs and more generous manufacturing tolerances.)
From a physics perspective, the higher megapixel sensor will collect the same amount of light spread over a more dense area. This means that the resolution of the captured light will be higher, but each single pixel will get less overall light.
So imagine we have 40 photons of light:
More Pixels Less Pixels ----------- ----------- 1 2 1 5 2 6 2 3 11 11 1 9 0 1 15 3 4 1 1 1When you zoom in to the individual pixels, the higher-resolution sensor will appear more noisy. This can be mitigated by pixel binning, which groups (or “bins”) those physical pixels into larger, virtual ones—essentially mimicking the lower-resolution sensor. Software can get crafty and try to use some more tricks to de-noise it without ruining the sharpness, though. Or if you could sit completely still for a few seconds, you could significantly lower the ISO and get a better average for each pixel.
Strictly from a physics perspective (and assuming the sensors are the same overall quality), higher megapixel sensors are better simply because you can capture more detail and end up with similar quality when you scale the picture down to whatever you’re comparing it against. More detail never hurts.
… Except when it does. Unless you save your photos as RAW (which take a massice amount of space), they’re going to be compressed into a lossy image format like JPEG. And the lovely thing about JPEG, is that it takes advantage of human vision to strip away visual information that we generally wouldn’t perceive, like slight color changes and high frequency details (like noise!)
And you can probably see where this is going: the way that the photo is encoded and stored destroys data that would have otherwise ensured you could eventually create a comparable (or better) photo. Luckily, though, the image is pre-processed by the camera software before encoding it as a JPEG, applying some of those quality-improving tricks before the data is lost. That leaves you at the mercy of the manufacturer’s software, however.
In summary: more megapixels is better in theory. In practice, bad software and image compression negate the advantages that a higher resolution provides, and higher-density sensors likely mean lower-quality data. Also, don’t expect more megapixels to mean better zoom. You would need an actual lense for that.
Did you buy the Pixel 7a second hand or something, or through a carrier? The whole point of the Pixel phones is they’re stock Android with zero unnecessary apps pre installed. Your shitty Samsung also has Android, but Samsung puts their own slow, bloated as hell interface over it. Not to mention all of the bloatware pre installed. Stop lying lmao.
It seems that you get so enraged by someone daring to like a different product than you that you lose your reading comprehension. I said the software design was terrible (i.e. how the menus were styled). I never said anything about bloatware. Also we already established that you have no idea what those phones actually cost and just throw around some made up numbers. Who’s the liar now?
Aww yeah Pixel gang 😎