I should begin by mentioning that I am (was) a moderator of three subreddits: one large subreddit, one NSFW subreddit and a medical-related subreddit. After u/spez’s calamitous AMA, I joined Lemmy and haven’t looked back. I am really enjoying the Lemmy/KBin vibe. It is very much an alpha (almost beta) product and the ad free, corporate free, decentralized nature of the fediverse has a thrill of its own.
Over the past couple of months, Reddit has done everything it can to show its moderators that they are low-value and easily replaceable. They’ve done this by removing technical tools, killing off third party applications, crippling API changes and jaw-droppingly bad public relations. Heavily used products like /r/toolbox are no longer being actively developed. When Reddit API implements a breaking, non-backwards compatible change, that tool will also die.
Yet the moderators of Reddit continue to moderate. They stay and help Reddit build Reddit. They continue to work for free; to allow Reddit to make money off of their work despite being abused. When I see things like the comment section on this post, I no longer feel sorry for the Reddit moderators still on the site. I see them as a sad, sorry group who cling to the false hope of a corporate turnaround. They could leave Reddit. They should leave Reddit.
These moderators are in an abusive relationship with Reddit, Inc. I might understand the argument, “we built this community, we can’t just abandon it”. But would you give the same advice to someone else in an abusive relationship? I get that the analogy between the mods and the corp is an imperfect one, yet it is similar enough to be valid, in my opinion.
Moderating is really hard. It is hard and thankless and never-ending. Finding good moderators who can handle the marathon nature of the gig is incredibly difficult. If Reddit moderators were to delete their moderating bots, downgrade their automod “code” and dial back their modding efforts to 5 min/week or less, it would materially hurt Reddit as a product.
The sunk-cost fallacy is a real thing. If the Reddit mods understood this, they’d take their talents elsewhere. But as long as they continue to help Reddit build Reddit, one shouldn’t feel sorry for them.
They could leave. I did and I’ve never been happier.
I think attacking the mods like this is similar to attacking a person in an abusive relationship. It’s more complicated than that when they feel so attached to the product of what is in some cases thousands of hours of work put into their communities that they’ve built for over a decade.
Don’t attack the victims. Attack the abuser. I’m glad that it was easy for you to leave the abusive relationship but it’s not easy for everyone. The same psychology is at play.
Totally agree and what’s worse here is that the abuser has impacted others as well, so they do want to keep making the point. Let’s just move on and in the end it won’t matter
Breaking through this and getting moderators to migrate is key to killing reddit and booming lemmy. The act of having the mods create communities on lemmy then sticky comment/post their new lemmy communities for the userbase will bring over tens of thousands of new users. Far more than currently exist here.
Hostility to them won’t help, it’s more likely to make them reluctant to move over. I mod several communities, some for 12 years, and I’ve had a bad time trying to engage with the instance admins here and came up against complete pigheadedness from one instance we reached out to, we’ve had other modteams give us similar stories in the mod backrooms too. These experiences risk alienating the people with the highest amount of power to make migrating off reddit a success, having the userbase here doing it too on top of that will just guarantee that the hesitant steps some are making will end up stopping entirely.