“fuck u/spez” means absolutely nothing to anyone who isn’t familiar with Reddit, it’s just noise.
“FIRE STEVE HUFFMAN” is a clear, actionable statement that has a clear target and goal and actually has meaning to people who don’t know what Reddit is (like say, a potential shareholder or investor)
Idk where to put this since r/savethirdpartyapps got banned so post this wherever will get noise if you agree
There are three main good faith issues with respect to the API changes.
1: Existing moderation tools were shut down (but later re-enabled)
2: existing third party apps with better moderation tools and better moderation experiences were cut off unless they paid a large amount of money.
3: Spez sneered at the moderators protesting.
The flipside to each of those is:
1: The API features that enabled the moderation tools also enabled stalking and abuse (like, kids viewing porn, as an example)
2: some of the third party apps were blocking Reddit’s advertisements and running their own adverts, while making Reddit bear the costs (fuskering Reddit)
3: some of the people who have been running subreddits are, uh, the kind of people who fondly remember when Reddit hosted racist groups , who are annoyed or angry that Reddit now has expectations that they not set up “roach motel” subreddits to corner unsuspecting visitors to exploit / hives of harassment & abuse, and who are no longer content to just “watch Reddit die” - the crab bucket phenomenon. They’re not sour over the changes - they were already beyond sour and they are using this as a pretext to harass others.
That is why Reddit was forced to close down the API, for the good of the community.
Hardly. First, there is zero good faith, and the proof is all around you. Whether you choose to be a sealion about it or not, like with the transcripts of Christian Selig’s interactions with Steve Huffman, the January promise to 3PA devs that API status would remain unchanged, the “landed gentry” cracks, the killing of the antispam bots and other moderator tools that were built outside Reddit because Reddit never would, the open lies to and about mods and subs participating in the protests, the shitty and inadequate kludged-together “mod tools” Reddit has shat out over the last three weeks with nothing but promises to replace the rest, and ALLLLLLL the broken promises not just over the years, but over the last month, the proof of zero good faith is all around you . . . and exists in countless iterations and interactions that Reddit can no longer control. But here you are, trying just the same.
And those zero-faith situations, forgetting everything else and speaking solely in regard to the API defrauding of 3rd part app devs, FAR outnumber this arbitrary “three” you pulled out of your ass. Why you even bothered, I have no idea.
Someone else brought up the Rif profitsharing that Spez put an end to several years ago which flatly puts the lie to your claim about ads, but another big one, the one that was the decider for me personally, that you didn’t even touch was how the exorbitant API pricing affected the disabled and visually impaired users of Reddit, not just the blind but anyone needing assistive technology or the help of the Transcribers of Reddit, etc, and how to this day none of the YEARS of empty promises of accessibility have ever been fulfilled by Reddit, Inc or its board.
Many of us know what goes into a site that is actually committed to accessibility. Reddit doesn’t even come close. I don’t want anything to do with a company or a community that “otherizes” its less mainstream users, or makes life even harder for those who need a little more help than average to do well. But don’t take my word for it. Take theirs:
!main@rblind.com
Reddit, and /u/spez, have actively embraced and protected everything from r/jailbait to r/fatpeoplehate to r/coontown to r/T_D. Are you forgetting which sub Spez was editing comments in back in 2016, and why? It was T_D, and he was there as an active participant. If Reddit was ever a “roach motel,” it was because admin failed to act on the COUNTLESS times hate and bad actors were called to their attention, and still does to this day. It is not only extremely disingenuous, but outright insulting, that you would throw out that shredded rag of lies as another “good faith issue” when the truth is that historically, across the board, Reddit has done absolutely nothing to stop hate and illegal acts (like CSAM) UNTIL it was called out in the media, and that is their practice even now. Why does anyone need to remember anything? No need, it’s all STILL there, and will never not be there until Reddit gets called out on it . . . again.
“Three main good faith issues,” ha. Dude, you moderate 39 subs. I’ve read a number of your posts on the moderator subs spouting known and provable falsehoods about the recent actions of Reddit, you’ve made it easy for anyone wanting to check the veracity of that statement by using the same username on both sites, and to be absolutely, brutally blunt about this: even if there were in some alternate universe a “good faith” argument to be made on behalf of the recent words and actions of Reddit, Inc. you are not the one to make it.
I get accused of being a “Powermod” because I do a lot of grunt moderation work on a lot of large, active subreddits – and network with a lot of other moderators who are accused of being “powermods”. Most of what I do is “serious” about moderation, and I’m considered the “knurd” of the group.
The only way I can imagine that Apollo would be charged premium firehose api access is if Apollo was being a man-in-the-middle between Reddit’s servers and their user base — if Apollo was running a server, which server was authenticating as the users, and then the Apollo server was sending material back to the phone/tablet client app.
Which … should not be happening, for oh-so-many reasons.
For one, if Apollo is doing that to remove Reddit’s advertisements and/or insert their own advertisements … that would be shenanigans.
If Apollo is store-and-forwarding user data — are they complying with California user privacy & GDPR requirements?
etc etc etc
If I’m using a third party app to access Reddit, I do not expect that the API calls made by the app to go through the app publisher’s systems.
So I’m really not grokking how this state of affairs is a crisis for a third party app publisher, unless the third party app publisher architected their app in a completely upside down fashion, or is pulling some sort of MITM shenanigans, or the publisher completely misunderstands what the changes to the API will mean.
In short, “where’s the fettucine?”
Interesting choice of words there. It’s a crisis because Reddit fraudulently and deliberately made it one, and destroyed a lot of people’s work created over a lot of years in doing so. Not just devs and their employees, but good mods and most importantly, users.
Every single dishonest point you raise is something addressed during a working relationship, not after. And since when is Reddit legally responsible for what any third party has done with its access to the data from the very beginning (clue: it’s not).
3PA devs tried to work with Reddit, were led to believe the relationship was satisfactory, and then had it all pulled out from under them with less than 30 days notice.
There are so many untruths in your reply it’s not worth bothering with; it’s a list of squirrels. “Squirrel!”
Yeah, no. And of course, you didn’t touch on any of the real issues, at all, not even to lie about them, so thank you for that tacit acknowledgement anyway.
Gone. Enjoy your fake MDAUs and your spambots.
LOL. I had a look over in r/ModSupport where you spend a good bit of your time. Among the sea of new scabs who don’t know how to sticky a comment, some real gems popped up:
https://teddit.hostux.net/r/ModSupport/comments/154bp7n/friends_we_are_far_beyond_drowning_in_bots_please/
https://teddit.hostux.net/r/ModSupport/comments/153ye9m/please_help_suspendedbanned_account_still_posting/
https://teddit.hostux.net/r/ModSupport/comments/1554sr5/if_i_participate_in_the_new_mod_feedback_system/
https://teddit.hostux.net/r/ModSupport/comments/1536q1l/reddit_chat_is_not_safe_as_you_think/
Yeah. That’s the current state of affairs on Reddit. Good luck with that “grunt work” there, looks like you have it cut out for you, lol.
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