xmpp was systematically killed by Google by “embrace, enhance, extinguish” where they federated, added bells and whistles, then de-federated after having essentially all users.
meta systematically removes competition. It is naive to assume anything otherwise, and both meta and the fediverse is international, so governments have less ability to enforce (and enforcement via govs are mostly via the elite and interest groups)
control over the fediverse can be lost to big tech via updates to protocol that can’t be bug fixed fast enough, a fork being run on big instances via a compromised sysadmin selling out for cash or other benefits
link sharing is about interesting content (not social inertia like messenger apps and social apps like Facebook) so it is not a perfect analogy.
there is no negativity on the fediverse yet
once users become the product (even partially), the fediverse will be driven to enshittification via the same pressures of big tech
Ugh. This crap makes me want to become a Luddite. I wonder if I can move into the Unabomber’s old cabin in the woods. (I promise I won’t make any bombs!)
friendly reminder that Luddites weren’t opposed to technology, just wary of its misuse and how it was going to benefit the people higher up rather than the workers.
I wouldn’t call the discussions in this thread toxic, though. There are simply different viewpoints, some people are rather strict in their rejection of Meta’s advances, and others (such as you) call for more open-mindedness.
There’s simply no comparison to the name calling and other bs frequently found on Facebook, Reddit etc. Of course the Fediverse isn’t immune to that, but I think we’re doing rather well atm.
Omg that thread was illuminating.
Key points are:
Ugh. This crap makes me want to become a Luddite. I wonder if I can move into the Unabomber’s old cabin in the woods. (I promise I won’t make any bombs!)
friendly reminder that Luddites weren’t opposed to technology, just wary of its misuse and how it was going to benefit the people higher up rather than the workers.
Weird, that sounds exactly like my current problem
Wonder why being called a Luddite is nowadays an insult
Also wonder why skinning a babies genitals is considered not child sexual abuse
And why diamonds are considered rare when millions of them sit in warehouses to artificially keep prices up
The answer is always someone profited by making it so, and that should concern you
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As a beehaw user, they also have rude users too. You can read my post about “debates”
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Or talking in threads like these, having the terrible opinion that talking isn’t terrible, even when talking to Meta.
I wouldn’t call the discussions in this thread toxic, though. There are simply different viewpoints, some people are rather strict in their rejection of Meta’s advances, and others (such as you) call for more open-mindedness.
There’s simply no comparison to the name calling and other bs frequently found on Facebook, Reddit etc. Of course the Fediverse isn’t immune to that, but I think we’re doing rather well atm.