• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    1 year ago

    Why be so mean?

    “Calling me racist for blaming immigrants is so meaaaaaaan!!!” rage-cry

    If I didn’t want to be called racist, I would simply not say something racist.

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      If I thought it was failing of character to be illiterate then you could maybe say I was blaming immigrants. I think it’s a lot harder to uproot your life and risk it all to bring your family where the grass is greener than it is to learn your ABC’s.

      Why do you assume immigrants are brown? Because you are probably right. That’s okay.

      It’s okay to have a lower literacy rate if our country is helping people have better lives. It’s okay that discussions of immigration and nationality sometimes involve ethnicities. It just makes sense that those qualities are discussed and related.

      It’s also okay if american school systems need to improve. I promise everything will be okay.

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        1 year ago

        Can you stop filling my inbox with nationalist bullshit? Christ, I couldn’t read past the first line. Grass is greener my ass.

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          Hope you find the help you need. Let me know if you want to talk.

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            1 year ago

            Ableism, nice.

            When you stop emotionally reacting to people criticising your government let me know? You owe as much loyalty to governments as you owe to your boss.

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              Not everything is political. All we have is each other and we can choose to be kind. There’s a lot of anger here and I can’t know where it’s coming from so I won’t try to assume anything about you. I just don’t appreciate you telling me I’m racist for saying America has a lot of immigration. Its not okay. You are assuming more about me than is fair.

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                  It’s a nice graphic for sure. I think what I’m trying to say is that while we must practice vigilance to maintain equality and freedom, we carry out these obligations so that we can enjoy our lives.

                  I don’t understand what I’ve done to be a target for your activism. I’m not a bad person. It’s relevant to point out that lower literacy might not be a failing of our education system as the statistic implies.

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                    Mate why are you talking like you’re giving a presidential campaign speech? And what equality and freedom are you bloody talking about? In america? Equality and freedom? Are you having a fucking laugh?

                    Genuinely taking the piss. I’m going to defer to my man Albert Einstein:

                    “I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my life.” December, 1947

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                I hate to extrapolate data as an idiotic internetter but being born in the US and being illiterate could also be because

                The thing is that so often people who have no clue about things and the real living situations of people do talk down on people who are experts about those questions or affected. Effectively a lot of what you did was muddying the water and thus implicitly justifying that there might be good or acceptable reasons.

                You were nationalist and you were racist with that and you were also ignorant of your own history and by being that ignorant you again actively(!) marginalized the BIPoC people in the US, as well as muddied class. In your other answers you were ableist and not kind either. You could’ve been kind, but you weren’t.

                Lol damn you don’t have to call me a racist

                Well then don’t act like one. Don’t try to defend faults of your country, try to help the people affected by the faults. Listen to affected people and listen to experts. This is a chance to grow for you. You can be kind and you can create a welcoming place for others. To do that you would need some collective work though and maybe read How To Become an Anti-Racist (and you could also watch the liberal lecture series by Robert Reich to get more how red lining works).

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                  There’s a lot to unpack here. Yes I concede that we were having it out and I was jabbing at the other commenter.

                  Is it unjustified to muddy the water when we can’t know who is an expert and who is as dumb as me, pasting statistics?

                  Should we always assume that the person to initiate a claim is more credible than lower a commenter? I agree armchair conjectures (by me) arent very helpful but it was more my intention to highlight the questionable lack of support for a claim like America doing a poor job educating people.

                  Kind of seems like muddying crystal clear water that could be poisonous.

                  I searched for information about literacy and found an equally shallow statistic which says a chunk of illiteracy is not from born Americans because I thought it was odd America would have such low literacy. I was curious what we could be doing wrong and came across this information. This has nothing to do with race. Stating that America has a high immigration rate has nothing to do with race.

                  I see racism as stupidity. Who could seriously believe that genetics is a differentiator for intelligence? Anyone who cares to look into it would know this.

                  Maybe you can explain how I marginalized people of color without mentioning them.

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                    Should we always assume that the person to initiate a claim is more credible than lower a commenter? I agree armchair conjectures (by me) arent very helpful but it was more my intention to highlight the questionable lack of support for a claim like America doing a poor job educating people.

                    That claim is not at all questionable!

                    However even if the US would do a good job, liberal economic professor Robert Reich does present in this course good reasons that the inhomogenity of the results and who profits from what is a problem in its own that ought to be solved in terms of schooling etc.