• Cypher@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Do shitty parents and upset children exist? Absolutely.

    Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being “shitty” despite having good parents.

    Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and there’s not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.

    Maybe she’s fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.

    Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so she’s seeking help elsewhere.

    Fuck maybe the kid has an undiagnosed brain tumour that’s going to kill them. I know people that happened to.

    If you go around assuming everyone else who inconveniences you in the slightest is a shit person, you will be a shit person.

    So get over yourself. You might have a slightly less comfortable flight while that poor parent might be going through the worst time in their life.

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      See, here’s the neat thing about things. You get to choose what you do and don’t care about. Empathy should not go so far as to cost. Your baby is not my problem and it’s your responsibility to keep it that way. I have my own, I didn’t take them to public places till they were able to have some self control. Is that always possible? No, but it’s really obvious if you are the type of person who doesn’t even try.

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        Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.

        That said when I do use public transport I fully expect noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job.

        Your concept of empathy seems to be severely lacking.

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          Part of using public transport is that you need to share it with the public, which is why I broadly detest it and cannot comprehend the fuck cars weirdos.

          Couldn’t agree more. The anti car movement among young millennials and Gen Z is weird as hell to me. I’ve lived in a large city and taken well designed public transit for years. Compared to living in a small city and driving, it’s awful - so I left. There’s a literal loss of freedom and autonomy that comes with it, and I can’t fathom why the younger crowd wants to live in crowded apartments and post angry screeds to r/fuckcars. I like walking and hiking and biking too! I have no desire to do it in a city, so I have to drive somewhere uncrowded to do it. If public transit served those places, they would be crowded.

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            If you live in NA, you haven’t lived in a walkable city designed for people over cars. You can find clearer explanations of the rationale from Strong Towns or NotJustBikes.

            Your concerns are not unfounded, but they would benefit from some context.

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          I expect

          noisy children, insufferable karens and the occasional nut job

          but that doesn’t mean I have much empathy for them.

          Being loud in public imposes a cost on the people around you. In our society parents with babies are generally allowed to impose such a cost, but so are raving lunatics…

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      Yet everyone seems to ignore that maybe, just maybe, that child is being “shitty” despite having good parents.

      If you’re bringing an infant onto a plane, you’re a shitty parent.

      Maybe she’s fleeing domestic violence and needs to get to family to safe.

      You don’t need a plane for this

      Maybe the kid has a medical issue causing pain and discomfort and there’s not a damn thing the parent can do except get on that flight to see a specialist.

      You don’t need a plane for this

      Maybe the mother has postpartum depression and unfortunately cannot properly care for her child so she’s seeking help elsewhere.

      You don’t need a plane for this

      I think you can figure out the pattern for the rest of your points.

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      Of course these things do exist but most of the time(at least in my experience) the problems are shitty parents.

      For example I had 2 kids crawling under my seat for the whole flight(takeoff and landing included) and the parents just watched something on the phone.