I’m trying so hard not to use the downvote button as a “disagree” button here.
Reality matters. If the post obviously didn’t mean anything bad, and there’s no realistic way that any real human person might be hurt in any way by reading the post title, then banning the post is pure wankery. Yes, even if it’s “incel language.” I would go further than that and also support all kinds of speech that actually might be offensive or hurtful to some person reading, for some variety of reasons, but this is so clearly on the “just let it be and worry about issues that are genuine issues instead” side that I’m having trouble believing that the people defending it are sincere.
When the did the left get so thin skinned? What happened to the ACLU defending neo-Nazi rallies? Why pick a battle about something so silly the “winning” of which carries no benefit to anybody?
You clearly don’t understand the difference between freedom of speech and consequences of actions. If a friend insulted your spouse in your house, do you just say “yeah, you can stay because I believe in freedom of speech.” No. That’s bullshit. There’s nothing wrong with removing toxicity from private spaces and I’m tired of the idiocy that confuses them with public spaces.
I bet you think Musk is doing a good job with Xwitter too.
I mean… if a friend used the word “female” in an obviously innocent way, and so I kicked them out of my house and told them they could never come back, I think the consequences that I would experience in terms of what my other friends said to me would be pretty similar to the consequences this particular mod team is experiencing. “You’re not free from people criticizing your actions or taking action against you” applies both ways, I think.
There’s nothing wrong with removing toxicity
There is, though, if you define “toxicity” in a totally weird and nonsensical way. What I’m objecting to is the crazypants definition of toxicity, not the idea of removing actual toxicity from public spaces. Was that not already evident from what I wrote?
I bet you think Musk is doing a good job with Xwitter too.
Nice thought-terminating cliche. I am not your enemy; it sounds like you’ve decided that I am, as a way of dismissing whatever I have to say, but I can assure you that I’m not whatever cliche you have in mind. You can look over my post history if you still feel like I am.
Sorry, I thought we used context in replies. You went on a rant about how offensive speech in private places should not be removed. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of what you said.
Using this example though, I’ve repeatedly stated it requires context to know. It’s very sus that this is even shared without the context. This is very commonly a misused term by incels to the point it’s odd you weren’t aware of that. Or you were and you’re back to your hypocritical point of private spaces not being able to remove offensive content.
You went on a rant about how offensive speech in private places should not be removed.
Actually offensive speech, I think should sometimes not be removed, yes. It depends on a lot of factors and there’s a big grey area, between the two extremes, where people of good faith can disagree. If you want to talk about that totally separate topic, I’m open to it.
Again, this isn’t offensive speech to me though. Like I say, I’m genuinely having trouble wrapping my head around the assertion that it is. It sounds like you’re very insistent that it is, to the point that I must obviously support all offensive speech if I support this. On that, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree, I think.
I’m trying so hard not to use the downvote button as a “disagree” button here.
Reality matters. If the post obviously didn’t mean anything bad, and there’s no realistic way that any real human person might be hurt in any way by reading the post title, then banning the post is pure wankery. Yes, even if it’s “incel language.” I would go further than that and also support all kinds of speech that actually might be offensive or hurtful to some person reading, for some variety of reasons, but this is so clearly on the “just let it be and worry about issues that are genuine issues instead” side that I’m having trouble believing that the people defending it are sincere.
When the did the left get so thin skinned? What happened to the ACLU defending neo-Nazi rallies? Why pick a battle about something so silly the “winning” of which carries no benefit to anybody?
You clearly don’t understand the difference between freedom of speech and consequences of actions. If a friend insulted your spouse in your house, do you just say “yeah, you can stay because I believe in freedom of speech.” No. That’s bullshit. There’s nothing wrong with removing toxicity from private spaces and I’m tired of the idiocy that confuses them with public spaces.
I bet you think Musk is doing a good job with Xwitter too.
I mean… if a friend used the word “female” in an obviously innocent way, and so I kicked them out of my house and told them they could never come back, I think the consequences that I would experience in terms of what my other friends said to me would be pretty similar to the consequences this particular mod team is experiencing. “You’re not free from people criticizing your actions or taking action against you” applies both ways, I think.
There is, though, if you define “toxicity” in a totally weird and nonsensical way. What I’m objecting to is the crazypants definition of toxicity, not the idea of removing actual toxicity from public spaces. Was that not already evident from what I wrote?
Nice thought-terminating cliche. I am not your enemy; it sounds like you’ve decided that I am, as a way of dismissing whatever I have to say, but I can assure you that I’m not whatever cliche you have in mind. You can look over my post history if you still feel like I am.
Sorry, I thought we used context in replies. You went on a rant about how offensive speech in private places should not be removed. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of what you said.
Using this example though, I’ve repeatedly stated it requires context to know. It’s very sus that this is even shared without the context. This is very commonly a misused term by incels to the point it’s odd you weren’t aware of that. Or you were and you’re back to your hypocritical point of private spaces not being able to remove offensive content.
Actually offensive speech, I think should sometimes not be removed, yes. It depends on a lot of factors and there’s a big grey area, between the two extremes, where people of good faith can disagree. If you want to talk about that totally separate topic, I’m open to it.
Again, this isn’t offensive speech to me though. Like I say, I’m genuinely having trouble wrapping my head around the assertion that it is. It sounds like you’re very insistent that it is, to the point that I must obviously support all offensive speech if I support this. On that, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree, I think.