Terrorist cell embedded itself within civilians around Al-Quds Hospital, fired from the hospital entrance at IDF soldiers, and was subsequently eliminated
No sane team lead would accept a mission like that.
That’s just asking for massive friendly casualties.
Kicking in doors has an extremely high death toll, especially if it’s a known base, of course they’re going to level it instead of committing a team that’s definitely going to get blown up by ied’s and killed in ambushes.
In order to effectively suppress and seize that hospital, you’re asking that at least 100-200 friendlies die during the operation to take a building that’s a known travel route to their tunnels which house thousands of hamas and related fighters and their kit.
Given the level of failure of the intel community in Isreal right now, no one operations side is going to take their word that it’s safe to send a team into that hospital.
It’s a hospital when it’s in operation, right now it’s a terrorist base of operations SPECIFICALLY because it was a hospital.
It’s not the IDF’s responsibility to protect Palestinians, it’s HAMAS’, the legally elected government of Palestine… You know, the country which just launched an attack against Israel to which Israel responded with violence and then hamas hid behind civilians in a hospital.
Can’t have missed it, it’s been all over the news.
I thought it was the IDF’s responsibility not to kill civilians directly? Does it matter which kind of civilians they are? Or does Israel like to play favorites where one Palestinian is not worth a tenth of an Israeli?
I mean, they signed off to protect Israelis. If Palestine were Israeli citizens then maybe they’d have some obligation to risk their lives to minimise damage to them but otherwise why should they? Soldiers aren’t expected to sacrifice themselves for foreign citizens. Hell some are just brutally sadistic towards them with legal impunity because the citizens of one government have next to no rights in the other aside from whats deemed diplomatically useful and even that is beyond the purview of the average soldier. Theres a reason America switched to using drone strikes on enemy infrastructure instead of sending their soldiers. That has the exact same trade off as well which is more civilian casualties and less soldier casualties. The bad thing here is israel is actively targetting civilian infrastructure and hamas is known to hide in such infrastructure, both things raising the innocent casualty rate immensely.
. If Palestine were Israeli citizens then maybe they’d have some obligation to risk their lives to minimise damage to them but otherwise why should they?
Got it, human life not worth much to Israeli soldiers if they are not Jewish and/or Israeli. By the actions of Isralis in the West Bank, I would say the Israeli government doesn’t value “Arab Israeli” lives that much either.
Soldiers aren’t expected to sacrifice themselves for foreign citizens.
No, but they are also not expected to keep an apartheid state running but here we are.
The bad thing here is israel is actively targetting civilian infrastructure and hamas is known to hide in such infrastructure, both things raising the innocent casualty rate immensely.
The bad thing here is israel is actively targetting civilian infrastructure and hamas is known to hide in such infrastructure, both things raising the innocent casualty rate immensely.
If you can’t see how it’s directly Israeli soldiers that “shoot through babies to kill a terrorist”, then I can’t help you. If you are unable to see how these people all died from Israeli missiles directly, that Israel could have not fired if it was a self-respecting humanitarian nation… then I can’t help you, sorry.
Got it, human life not worth much to Israeli soldiers if they are not Jewish and/or Israeli. By the actions of Isralis in the West Bank, I would say the Israeli government doesn’t value “Arab Israeli” lives that much either.
You’re grandstanding. I’m sure many soldiers care about the Palestinians plight in this situation because their human beings. I’m saying their not obligated to, not that they don’t. It’s not their responsibility as a consequence of their role. Even if it was do you think an individual soldiers is defining on the ground policy. Like command comes down to level a building and a band of soldiers just join together and say “no, I’ll go in myself and confirm the threat alone” like some cheesy American movie.
No, but they are also not expected to keep an apartheid state running but here we are.
What exactly do you think is a soldiers job? because they don’t determine diplomatic policy. That’s on politicians. One of their responsibilities is helping enforce that policy but they don’t exactly have a choice here if they want to protect Israelis. Just quitting and getting discharged ain’t exactly gonna stop hamas pulling shit like the October attack.
If you can’t see how it’s directly Israeli soldiers that “shoot through babies to kill a terrorist”, then I can’t help you. If you are unable to see how these people all died from Israeli missiles directly, that Israel could have not fired if it was a self-respecting humanitarian nation… then I can’t help you, sorry.
Everyone could just not do things. Hamas could’ve just not attacked in October and killed a bunch of innocent civilians. Hamas could just not keep the hostages they’ve taken and return them so Israel isn’t incentivised to level Palestine to the ground to find them. This isn’t a rational line of reasoning. If you’re outraged and upset that’s fine, frankly it would be weirder if anyone wasn’t given this clusterf*ck of a situation. But that doesn’t mean you can just make large generic points and obvious lapses in reasoning and not get called out on it.
The criticism was your integrity, not your alleged race.
Great google translate bro.
If you have to pull out a “trust me bro” instead of present facts of the matter that can be verified via search engines, you’ve already failed at the purpose of the discussion.
I noted specialty along with direct information that can be directly corroborated with online reputable sources.
You backed your words up with ‘trust me bro’.
Tell me who, in that conversation, would you more likely listen to, the person who provided a detailed overview and perspective along with their noted background or the person who just says ‘i know everything about the middle east because I’m x race born in y town’?
You’ve only said I’m wrong without any substance to back that or presentations of understanding or experience, especially since you flopped entirely on the history aspect (especially if you are arabic, then you’d know the background of the USA is light in comparison).
Either you’re too emotionally involved in the information you’ve been shown IRL or, as I suspect, you’re pushing an agenda rather than an opinion.
I think your statement didn’t have any real criticism at all. You ran out of things to say so you just put forth a dumb statement that you can’t even verify or proof or really point to.
PS: I’m a girl. I don’t live in a basement, I barely check lemmy these days, and while some of my comments may have been short and snappy, they are not trolly.
On top of that, your weird claim that I’m not Arab is serving what purpose exactly? 🤔 Trying to make me look like I’m lying? Even though I am Arab? Like why did you even add that part? I doubt it’s just for “clarity” or to make a “point”.
Great google translate bro.
The phrase is in Jordanian dialect, you can’t use google translate to get Arabic dialects /: only modern standard arabic
Surely a “smartass” person like yourself should know that?
Anyway here it is again:
اسرائيل دولة إجرامية ومن كل قلبي بحكي يا ريت كل اسرائيل كدولة وقضاء وحشي تخش فطيزي
EDIT: just saw your long ass edit… sorry I don’t have time for this. You wanted a troll, I’ll give you one rofl
I don’t doubt IDF soldiers are human beings. I do doubt though that propaganda that dehumanized Palestinians makes it easier for them to kill.
That being said, I recommend the Breaking the Silence foundation where IDF soldiers talk about the kind of war crimes they are sent out to do as part of their missions and how wrong it is, and how much they are encouraged to shoot to hurt or kill.
Everyone could just not do things. Hamas could’ve just not attacked in October and killed a bunch of innocent civilians.
Hamas is done. What Israel can do is not do things they are doing right now. I’m not talking about changing the past just challenging the ugly present created by Israel.
No sane team lead would accept a mission like that. That’s just asking for massive friendly casualties.
Kicking in doors has an extremely high death toll, especially if it’s a known base, of course they’re going to level it instead of committing a team that’s definitely going to get blown up by ied’s and killed in ambushes.
In order to effectively suppress and seize that hospital, you’re asking that at least 100-200 friendlies die during the operation to take a building that’s a known travel route to their tunnels which house thousands of hamas and related fighters and their kit. Given the level of failure of the intel community in Isreal right now, no one operations side is going to take their word that it’s safe to send a team into that hospital.
It’s a hospital when it’s in operation, right now it’s a terrorist base of operations SPECIFICALLY because it was a hospital.
See: https://ground.news/article/hamas-has-command-center-under-al-shifa-hospital-us-official-says
Hmmm should soldiers who already signed off their lived to save civilians die or should the civilians die?
It’s not the IDF’s responsibility to protect Palestinians, it’s HAMAS’, the legally elected government of Palestine… You know, the country which just launched an attack against Israel to which Israel responded with violence and then hamas hid behind civilians in a hospital.
Can’t have missed it, it’s been all over the news.
I thought it was the IDF’s responsibility not to kill civilians directly? Does it matter which kind of civilians they are? Or does Israel like to play favorites where one Palestinian is not worth a tenth of an Israeli?
(and meh to your snarky comment)
Does that honestly come as a surprise to you? Nations states are inherently selfish, it’s kind of their whole reason for being.
I mean, they signed off to protect Israelis. If Palestine were Israeli citizens then maybe they’d have some obligation to risk their lives to minimise damage to them but otherwise why should they? Soldiers aren’t expected to sacrifice themselves for foreign citizens. Hell some are just brutally sadistic towards them with legal impunity because the citizens of one government have next to no rights in the other aside from whats deemed diplomatically useful and even that is beyond the purview of the average soldier. Theres a reason America switched to using drone strikes on enemy infrastructure instead of sending their soldiers. That has the exact same trade off as well which is more civilian casualties and less soldier casualties. The bad thing here is israel is actively targetting civilian infrastructure and hamas is known to hide in such infrastructure, both things raising the innocent casualty rate immensely.
Got it, human life not worth much to Israeli soldiers if they are not Jewish and/or Israeli. By the actions of Isralis in the West Bank, I would say the Israeli government doesn’t value “Arab Israeli” lives that much either.
No, but they are also not expected to keep an apartheid state running but here we are.
If you can’t see how it’s directly Israeli soldiers that “shoot through babies to kill a terrorist”, then I can’t help you. If you are unable to see how these people all died from Israeli missiles directly, that Israel could have not fired if it was a self-respecting humanitarian nation… then I can’t help you, sorry.
You’re grandstanding. I’m sure many soldiers care about the Palestinians plight in this situation because their human beings. I’m saying their not obligated to, not that they don’t. It’s not their responsibility as a consequence of their role. Even if it was do you think an individual soldiers is defining on the ground policy. Like command comes down to level a building and a band of soldiers just join together and say “no, I’ll go in myself and confirm the threat alone” like some cheesy American movie.
What exactly do you think is a soldiers job? because they don’t determine diplomatic policy. That’s on politicians. One of their responsibilities is helping enforce that policy but they don’t exactly have a choice here if they want to protect Israelis. Just quitting and getting discharged ain’t exactly gonna stop hamas pulling shit like the October attack.
Everyone could just not do things. Hamas could’ve just not attacked in October and killed a bunch of innocent civilians. Hamas could just not keep the hostages they’ve taken and return them so Israel isn’t incentivised to level Palestine to the ground to find them. This isn’t a rational line of reasoning. If you’re outraged and upset that’s fine, frankly it would be weirder if anyone wasn’t given this clusterf*ck of a situation. But that doesn’t mean you can just make large generic points and obvious lapses in reasoning and not get called out on it.
This snek guy is likely a basement dweller going full keyboard warrior and pretending to be arabic as the cherry on top. I’m like 90% they’re trolling
Pretending to be Arab? Are you fucking kidding me? 😂 This is your best criticism?
إسرائيل واجرامها كله والغبا اللي بشوفه مكتوب هون لثقبة طيزي انشاالله
The criticism was your integrity, not your alleged race.
Great google translate bro.
If you have to pull out a “trust me bro” instead of present facts of the matter that can be verified via search engines, you’ve already failed at the purpose of the discussion. I noted specialty along with direct information that can be directly corroborated with online reputable sources.
You backed your words up with ‘trust me bro’.
Tell me who, in that conversation, would you more likely listen to, the person who provided a detailed overview and perspective along with their noted background or the person who just says ‘i know everything about the middle east because I’m x race born in y town’?
You’ve only said I’m wrong without any substance to back that or presentations of understanding or experience, especially since you flopped entirely on the history aspect (especially if you are arabic, then you’d know the background of the USA is light in comparison). Either you’re too emotionally involved in the information you’ve been shown IRL or, as I suspect, you’re pushing an agenda rather than an opinion.
I think your statement didn’t have any real criticism at all. You ran out of things to say so you just put forth a dumb statement that you can’t even verify or proof or really point to.
PS: I’m a girl. I don’t live in a basement, I barely check lemmy these days, and while some of my comments may have been short and snappy, they are not trolly.
On top of that, your weird claim that I’m not Arab is serving what purpose exactly? 🤔 Trying to make me look like I’m lying? Even though I am Arab? Like why did you even add that part? I doubt it’s just for “clarity” or to make a “point”.
The phrase is in Jordanian dialect, you can’t use google translate to get Arabic dialects /: only modern standard arabic
Surely a “smartass” person like yourself should know that?
Anyway here it is again:
اسرائيل دولة إجرامية ومن كل قلبي بحكي يا ريت كل اسرائيل كدولة وقضاء وحشي تخش فطيزي
EDIT: just saw your long ass edit… sorry I don’t have time for this. You wanted a troll, I’ll give you one rofl
I don’t doubt IDF soldiers are human beings. I do doubt though that propaganda that dehumanized Palestinians makes it easier for them to kill.
That being said, I recommend the Breaking the Silence foundation where IDF soldiers talk about the kind of war crimes they are sent out to do as part of their missions and how wrong it is, and how much they are encouraged to shoot to hurt or kill.
https://youtube.com/@IKARlosangeles?feature=shared
Hamas is done. What Israel can do is not do things they are doing right now. I’m not talking about changing the past just challenging the ugly present created by Israel.
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