Other instances: downvote into oblivion. No notifications involved, you can just ignore it and move on.
Hexbear: no downvotes possible. You get tons of comments that are basically generic memes and could as well be downvotes without any loss of information.
This is pretty disingenuous. Most of those comments don’t pour in until after someone ignores a well sourced informative critique, then people selectively ignore said effort posts and selectively reply to people just dunking on them for refusing to read.
This presumes that all people are informed. New people, by definition, are not that. Arguably their fault for (checks notes) getting on a social media site then?
I am saying that it is easy for a day-1 noob to feel “dunked on” based on this absolute rush of feedback, especially for e.g. someone on the wider Fediverse who was not even aware that hexbear was that way, so especially they had no chance to consent to that - no pop-up messages appeared, nothing really unless you hunt around dig and also scroll down to see it, underneath the community, they just saw a post and replied as normal but then WHABOOSH!
Also you did not explain how the person you were responding to was not merely “wrong” but rose to be fully “disingenuous”. Sadly this is something I notice often with hexbear - the culture seems to value “fights”, which ngl could be helpful if the goal were to use socratic discourse to achieve some end goal like Truth and/or Compassion, but far more often it looks to me, from the outside, like people who just enjoy fighting/dunking for its own sake.
You are free - and I will fight to the death for your rights to do precisely this - to do as you please, as it pertains to yourself, but when it crosses over to affect other people, then different rules come into play. Specifically, if people from hexbear will not control themselves, then that leaves others to have to do it for them - e.g. warn people what to expect from hexbear users. i.e., it is not “disingenuous” to say that hexbear users seem to be spoiling for a fight, if that is literally what happens.
Some of your critique is valid and warranted but the person I was referring to implied that I was being contrarian which is not at all what I was doing.
I was simply expanding on why this sort of enshitification occurs.
“least x y” is typically used sarcastically/ironically and if that was not the case and they misunderstood the joke they themselves made then I appologize.
You’ve clearly never posted on Hexbear because we often have lengthy discussions specifically because you can’t just downvote and move on.
You’ll probably get to experience that now in fact as all the Hexbears who see this go “uh that’s wrong” and tell you rather than downvote you. It’s a great community building tool.
You think I would write the comment I did without having made the experience? I’m banned from that community and I’m not even sad to be excluded from such a toxic realm
Toxic is what I encountered. It wasn’t just different opinions. It was what people called me and how and what they commented. I’m glad that didn’t happen to you yet but don’t pretend you know what happened to me.
They called me a liberal for pointing to “Homage to Catalonia”, which they called liberal propaganda even though I explained that in the book Orwell called out the Stalinists for siding with the liberals, indirectly against the anarchosyndicalists and thereby helping the fascists to power.
Sure, you can have different readings of historical events, but you can also spam people with 1984 memes and hate on an author without knowing shit about him. Reminds me of the Hakim video about Orwell where he claims that he never spoke about Franco even though Homage to Catalonia exists and that’s the book about his politicization and he cites it as most influential and most important. Except that Hakim didn’t react to someone who literally explained all that. Tbf some of the explaining was in later removed comments so some of the commenters didn’t see them.
Orwell was a well known anti communist, so yeah, pretty lib take to defend him. Seems called for to me. I bet you didn’t get banned for having one lib take though
Sounds like you have the right black and white thinking for hexbear. How is criticizing Stalin for working with the libs a thing that makes you a lib? Sure, he was anti communist, or rather anti stalinist and I guess anti bolshevik, and there is a lot to criticize from a left perspective, I’m not going to defend his homophobia and antisemitism but he was not a liberal. There are more than 2 political camps. How can you totally ignore my last comment?
Other instances: downvote into oblivion. No notifications involved, you can just ignore it and move on.
Hexbear: no downvotes possible. You get tons of comments that are basically generic memes and could as well be downvotes without any loss of information.
This is pretty disingenuous. Most of those comments don’t pour in until after someone ignores a well sourced informative critique, then people selectively ignore said effort posts and selectively reply to people just dunking on them for refusing to read.
This presumes that all people are informed. New people, by definition, are not that. Arguably their fault for (checks notes) getting on a social media site then?
I am saying that it is easy for a day-1 noob to feel “dunked on” based on this absolute rush of feedback, especially for e.g. someone on the wider Fediverse who was not even aware that hexbear was that way, so especially they had no chance to consent to that - no pop-up messages appeared, nothing really unless you hunt around dig and also scroll down to see it, underneath the community, they just saw a post and replied as normal but then WHABOOSH!
Also you did not explain how the person you were responding to was not merely “wrong” but rose to be fully “disingenuous”. Sadly this is something I notice often with hexbear - the culture seems to value “fights”, which ngl could be helpful if the goal were to use socratic discourse to achieve some end goal like Truth and/or Compassion, but far more often it looks to me, from the outside, like people who just enjoy fighting/dunking for its own sake.
You are free - and I will fight to the death for your rights to do precisely this - to do as you please, as it pertains to yourself, but when it crosses over to affect other people, then different rules come into play. Specifically, if people from hexbear will not control themselves, then that leaves others to have to do it for them - e.g. warn people what to expect from hexbear users. i.e., it is not “disingenuous” to say that hexbear users seem to be spoiling for a fight, if that is literally what happens.
Some of your critique is valid and warranted but the person I was referring to implied that I was being contrarian which is not at all what I was doing.
I was simply expanding on why this sort of enshitification occurs.
“least x y” is typically used sarcastically/ironically and if that was not the case and they misunderstood the joke they themselves made then I appologize.
You’ve clearly never posted on Hexbear because we often have lengthy discussions specifically because you can’t just downvote and move on.
You’ll probably get to experience that now in fact as all the Hexbears who see this go “uh that’s wrong” and tell you rather than downvote you. It’s a great community building tool.
Anyway
You think I would write the comment I did without having made the experience? I’m banned from that community and I’m not even sad to be excluded from such a toxic realm
Toxic is when you post your opinion in a discussion forum, apparently.
Toxic is what I encountered. It wasn’t just different opinions. It was what people called me and how and what they commented. I’m glad that didn’t happen to you yet but don’t pretend you know what happened to me.
What did folks call you? Why did they?
They called me a liberal for pointing to “Homage to Catalonia”, which they called liberal propaganda even though I explained that in the book Orwell called out the Stalinists for siding with the liberals, indirectly against the anarchosyndicalists and thereby helping the fascists to power.
Sure, you can have different readings of historical events, but you can also spam people with 1984 memes and hate on an author without knowing shit about him. Reminds me of the Hakim video about Orwell where he claims that he never spoke about Franco even though Homage to Catalonia exists and that’s the book about his politicization and he cites it as most influential and most important. Except that Hakim didn’t react to someone who literally explained all that. Tbf some of the explaining was in later removed comments so some of the commenters didn’t see them.
Orwell was a well known anti communist, so yeah, pretty lib take to defend him. Seems called for to me. I bet you didn’t get banned for having one lib take though
Sounds like you have the right black and white thinking for hexbear. How is criticizing Stalin for working with the libs a thing that makes you a lib? Sure, he was anti communist, or rather anti stalinist and I guess anti bolshevik, and there is a lot to criticize from a left perspective, I’m not going to defend his homophobia and antisemitism but he was not a liberal. There are more than 2 political camps. How can you totally ignore my last comment?