Both sides see in black and white, but for far different reasons, the far left want to eliminate the concept of profit over people, while the far right want to eliminate people that dont fit inside their rigid and arbitrary ‘moral’ structures.
It’s interesting innit, that the reddit migration to Lemmy gave the most vocal ideologues a place to gather, and a reason not to go back. I wonder if the discussion on Reddit is a bit more nuanced now?
You’re just supporting this clueless “both sides” narrative with exactly no nuance. The right is factually incorrect and is centered around supporting hierarchy, regardless of vibes, while the left opposes hierarchy. Polarization is not what’s wrong with American society, it’s a symptom of the underlying cause, which is Capitalism’s decay.
But, since you asked nicely, I’ll rephrase it as a conservative would. As I think someone should believe what feels right to them, but at least understand the mind and motivations of your opposition, otherwise you will fail in your goals. That’s something not one of the 10 downvoters and 5 commenters have been able to do.
The far left seeks to eradicate the fundamental principles of individual initiative and free enterprise in favor of a collectivist agenda, they’re in favor of legalization of all drugs and the murder of children and don’t understand that a functioning society is a fragile house of cards. They think that children growing up without one or both parents is perfectly fine, and the child will in turn be a well-adjusted adult, regardless. They want to open the borders to let every spy, murderer, and rapist into their neighborhood. The far right aims to preserve traditional values and defend against the erosion of societal norms by those advocating for radical change.
Okay great job you dressed up some hateful shit with jingoistic buzzwords. What’s your point? We’ve all heard this before, no one is unaware of the rationalizations that conservatives tell themselves to justify their hatred and selfishness as tough love and societal stewardship.
Okay, now what are the rationalizations that progressives/liberals/Democrats/leftists/whatever the preferred term that’s the opposite of ‘conservative’ tell themselves?
Keep in mind, you’re including the entire group here, as you did with ‘conservatives’, so anything any [preferred leftist term] does means it’s representative of the entire group.
ETA: yes it’s as old as human nature and organized religion, yes, and you’re continuing it. Everyone with different beliefs is “the other” and “the enemy” and “must be removed from existence to ensure peace for our people.” I’m trying to point out that you’re being taken advantage of, and the truth seems to be evoking strong emotions.
If you say down and had an honest conversation without yelling and turns were allowed to be finished, you’d find you have much more in common with these individuals than “the enemy” as the group you see them as.
But ideological warfare prevents class warfare, so it continues being spoonfed to you, and you happily latch on to every bite so you continue to feel a sense of purpose.
The left is the party of trying to help the lowest so everyone can live a decent life and the right is the party of trying to achieve the best possible life for a few of the highest
Did you notice how you cant refute my statement? Leaving your only option to call this a one sided assessment of the status quo, while in actuality it sums up of the state of current affairs quite succinctly. Popcorn do be good though.
Both sides see in black and white, but for far different reasons, the far left want to eliminate the concept of profit over people, while the far right want to eliminate people that dont fit inside their rigid and arbitrary ‘moral’ structures.
That’s the left view of left vs right, now do the right view of left vs right.
No, they were right the first time.
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They don’t understand it, but you just beautifully summarised the problem with American society right now.
It’s interesting innit, that the reddit migration to Lemmy gave the most vocal ideologues a place to gather, and a reason not to go back. I wonder if the discussion on Reddit is a bit more nuanced now?
Ah, the classic tactic of “if people disagree, it’s because they don’t understand!”
Yep. That’s clearly how it has and always will work across the non-US globe. Got me!
You’re just supporting this clueless “both sides” narrative with exactly no nuance. The right is factually incorrect and is centered around supporting hierarchy, regardless of vibes, while the left opposes hierarchy. Polarization is not what’s wrong with American society, it’s a symptom of the underlying cause, which is Capitalism’s decay.
Nah. If they’re wrong, go ahead and correct them yourself.
I just like to see the lemmings in action.
But, since you asked nicely, I’ll rephrase it as a conservative would. As I think someone should believe what feels right to them, but at least understand the mind and motivations of your opposition, otherwise you will fail in your goals. That’s something not one of the 10 downvoters and 5 commenters have been able to do.
Internet proselytization is this generations’ version of Vietnam-era I’d Love to Change the World.
I get it. The state of the world right now is a sad mess. But if you’re going to fight a war you can win, you must first understand the basics.
Okay great job you dressed up some hateful shit with jingoistic buzzwords. What’s your point? We’ve all heard this before, no one is unaware of the rationalizations that conservatives tell themselves to justify their hatred and selfishness as tough love and societal stewardship.
Okay, now what are the rationalizations that progressives/liberals/Democrats/leftists/whatever the preferred term that’s the opposite of ‘conservative’ tell themselves?
Keep in mind, you’re including the entire group here, as you did with ‘conservatives’, so anything any [preferred leftist term] does means it’s representative of the entire group.
Again, what’s your point? You think you’re being clever but you’re just sniping at strawmen with old ammunition.
What’s the strawman I’m sniping at?
ETA: yes it’s as old as human nature and organized religion, yes, and you’re continuing it. Everyone with different beliefs is “the other” and “the enemy” and “must be removed from existence to ensure peace for our people.” I’m trying to point out that you’re being taken advantage of, and the truth seems to be evoking strong emotions.
If you say down and had an honest conversation without yelling and turns were allowed to be finished, you’d find you have much more in common with these individuals than “the enemy” as the group you see them as.
But ideological warfare prevents class warfare, so it continues being spoonfed to you, and you happily latch on to every bite so you continue to feel a sense of purpose.
No logical fallacy buzzwords to falsely throw around? Just a downvote because someone has shared a non-genocidal point of view?
Sad but not surprised.
You lost me at leftists want to murder children…
You clearly don’t understand the beliefs and motives of your political opponents.
Doesn’t matter, because in this thought experiment you’re not the conservative who believes abortion is murder.
Good luck with your
sports team ideological shitpostspolitical memes, I guess.Lmao I understand them far too well.
i think hes saying the issue of abortion.
The left is the party of trying to help the lowest so everyone can live a decent life and the right is the party of trying to achieve the best possible life for a few of the highest
The right-wing view is “morally superior, upstanding, decent, hard-working” vs. “godless, naive, degenerate traitors and smelly hippies”.
Aye, reverse it and replace godless with god-fearing, and hippies with rednecks, and you nailed it!
Dehumanize “the other” and you can say and do whatever you want, as long as it’s against the other team. Populace Control 101.
Sad to see so many people falling for it so rampantly, but inevitable. It’s just the Internet during American election season at this point.
Did you notice how you cant refute my statement? Leaving your only option to call this a one sided assessment of the status quo, while in actuality it sums up of the state of current affairs quite succinctly. Popcorn do be good though.