Raising this dead article as Microsoft now delivers extended support pricing details for those who choose not to migrate to the newer version of Windows. The one they were told they’d not ever have to migrate to
Raising this dead article as Microsoft now delivers extended support pricing details for those who choose not to migrate to the newer version of Windows. The one they were told they’d not ever have to migrate to
I’ll probably get down voted to oblivion, but I remember EVERYONE had the same “I’ll never move” rhetoric with Windows 7, and before that Windows XP. Ya’ll eventually move.
I’ve moved 3 of my 6 windows boxes from 10 to 11 and it’s not that much different. I just debloat the stuff I don’t want and move on. Even that isn’t different, ya’ll remember nlite? We’ve been ripping crap we didn’t want out of the OS for as long as I can remember.
Hell, I even remeber getting doublespace.exe off my old dos 5 disks so I could use it on my dos 6 and Windows 3.1.1 install. People who use Windows are just more used to tearing down what they don’t want rather than building up what they do (*nix). Is it harder these days…marginally…is there more to remove…yup. But it’s still the same crap we’ve always done.
Well, if you’re sticking with Windows, you really have no choice. The sun is rapidly setting on using Windows 7 as a “daily driver” - a lot of new software doesn’t support it and the older versions that work on Windows 7 are getting less and less viable. Windows 8 is in the same boat as Windows 7. Windows 10 goes out of support next year, but you’ve probably got to 2028 or maybe 2029 before you really have to move.
I ended up riding Windows 7 pretty much to the bitter end. Steam dropping Windows 7 support last December was it for the last Windows box. Everything now is running Linux.
Honestly 11 was finally the push I needed to try Linux as my main driver. Gaming finally got to the point where I could switch. The only thing they made in 11 that was beat was AutoHDR. Everything else was annoyance to me.
The difference this time is that my computer literally can’t run Win 11. I’m not throwing away a perfectly good PC just because of Win 11’s hardware requirements.
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If I wanted an operating that could break from a regular update I’d just install Arch!
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Especially not for such enragingly artificial hardware requirements. Any computer able to run 64-Bit Win XP would probably run Windows 11 just fine if Microsoft hadn’t decided to build instructions that only work on recent CPUs into the kernel specifically to make it not run on older hardware.
Assuming Microsoft is acting nefarious here, what would there motivation be to lock out older hardware?
They could probably reduce the support needed for drivers that support said older hardware. I would imagine some of those drivers are probably hard to maintain. That’s my guess anyway.
To sell new hardware with new OEM windows licenses
So I WAS on 11 until all of the sudden my computer refused to boot with the special hardware thing enabled. Had to downgrade to Windows 10 and the mobo manufacturer’s response was ‘try replacing every other part in your PC’…sorry I don’t have the money to have spare parts of everything just lying around. 10 works perfectly fine, and it’ll give me an excuse to upgrade my mobo in Oct 2025. :-)
Why is windows still bloated after all these decades?
Did you expect them to remove features over time?
“Features” lmfao!
In all seriousness, remove actual beneficial features? No. Remove the shit that people have been complaining about for ages? Yes, but I guess we are all in on losing people eventually.
Maybe to 12, a lot of people stuck with 7 until 10, because 8 sucked. A lot of people stuck with XP because Vista sucked. A lot of people are sticking with 10 because 11 sucks. In history, Microsoft has had a usable OS every other.
If 12 is shit, perhaps Linux will finally get its day.
Windows 11 is essentially just 10 with a theme over it. 90% of the hate for Windows 11 also applies to 10. The only real new thing is the hardware requirements.
Haven’t kept up with it, but that certainly wasn’t the case on release and I still don’t think it’s as functional as 10. I have only used it on a family laptop and had trouble simply connecting a printer, it drives you even further away from useful settings than 10 does.
Theme is subjective of course, but I much prefer 10 myself.
11 has ads, AI and other annoyances crammed in.
Windows 10 had ads from the start. That was the biggest complaint about it on release, and the fact that people hate 11 and are ok with 10 on that baffles me.
And somewhat coincidentally the bing shit was added to 10 before 11 got it.
Windows 11 is so much worse. Windows has always been problematic but now Microsoft is forcing AI, Edge, One drive and teams. You can’t use up to date Windows without the BS. Windows 10 is now just as bad as Windows 11
That’s what happens when one company has pretty much exclusive control over most consumer machines.
All removable.
No, not really. Even if it was it is still annoying to do and is confusing for most people.
Not really. W11 doesn’t pass my company privacy and security certification (we deal with a lot of sensitive data). A lot of stuff, specially the intrusive AI hooks into the filesystem cannot be removed. I mean, you can remove them to the point that a user won’t notice or think that the AI was there. But there’s a bunch of under the hood shit that still makes it a liability. Even just disabling the Bing AI BS on Edge doesn’t actually remove it, it just makes it invisible to the user. Just like OneDrive and Teams cannot be actually removed, they just exist and act out of the user eye, but we actually pay to use those so the evaluation is different. But the AI crap is not transparent enough to even be audited by an independent third party. We are already a bit weirded out by Teams auto transcript that just listens to all chats and all meeting at all times. But that shit is so bad that it never gets a single word correct. We received proof that the transcript runs locally and never leaves our sharepoint server, so we tolerate it. MS is just crap all around when you actually need to be secure or private.
So I don’t want this to come off as rude, but if you are using the pro version with proper workstation controls all of this is controllable. I work as a L5 engineer for the world’s largest outsourcing IT provider and we don’t have a single customer (from ITAR, HIPAA, Financial, Manufacturing, Pharmaceutical etc) that has been unable to move because of compliance. Some take longer to harden and move but it’s 100% possible. MS knows their audience in this space and wouldn’t release and OS that wasn’t possible to comply. (for the MOST part, obviously things like EU antitrust has made them change some things in the past).
I wish. Most stuff I used to do now has extra clicks required, the right click 7z panel, the process monitor kill process button (now hidden on a submenu on a right-click), and I can’t put the taskbar vertically!!! I use two monitors, I’m used to having it on the right monitor, on the left vertically. The reasoning was that not many people move their taskbar and while that might be true, after some regex modifications, the only thing that’s completely broken if you put the taskbar vertical was the news button pop-up (it didn’t align correctly), which is basically ads, and I’m completely against them gutting features because their ads need extra work (not that much work, just work).
Besides that, having a fat suggested apps bar on the windows menu that takes 30% of the space is a thing again, which is ad space too. Great
Anyway, KDE is cool. Thanks Microsoft, I would have persevered if it wasn’t for the vertical taskbar, now I’m happier.
Classic right click menu is a regkey away.
Classic control panel is still there too.
I have 4 monitors, task bar on all of them, not sure why yours doesn’t. Apps even go to the appropriate task bar per monitor when minimized.
Suggested apps size can be minimized.
They only show you “ad” apps on first boot, otherwise gone once you remove them.
Me thinks you just like to complain lol
I moved away, but not to newer windows.
I never upgraded from Win 7. I used in untill Steam stopped its support and now my gaming rig runs on Linux.
I did eventually move… to Linux. Windows 7 was the last version of Windows I’ve had installed on any machine I own.
Yeah, I moved to Linux.
Me thinks Lemmy isn’t great at representing the larger world. Lots of tech folks here.
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