• Tim Morgan@lemmy.ml
    4·
    1 year ago

    I really wish firefox had HDR support. That’s the only reason I haven’t fully switched

  • average650@lemmy.world
    141·
    1 year ago

    Edge used to be unique,but then they just copied chromium… It had much smaller scrolling which was great on touch screens. Now I have no reason to use it.

    • Balssh@kbin.social
      15·
      1 year ago

      On the flipside, atm Edge seems to be the better Chromium choice (if you don’t have a Microsoft hate boner).

      • SCmSTR@kbin.social
        10·
        1 year ago

        Let’s be clear: it’s a very good browser, very HTML5 compliant, and perhaps one of the best browsers…

        …Assuming you don’t care about insane amounts of spyware - AND not having a lot of really cool browser add-ons (those having spyware and memory leaks is a separate topic, but I want to acknowledge these problems).

        Edge makes more calls home per second than any other piece of software on my computer. I looked at my live log and it was a literal stream. Nearly every single action you do is tracked and sent… (waves hands confusingly up in the air in circles) …somewhere. Likely Microsoft, but I really don’t know.

        Almost all of Windows is like this too. I hate it so much. There’s just no great way to have nice things right now.

    • siriusmart@feddit.ukOP
      12·
      1 year ago

      opera also used to maintain their own browser engine if i remembered correctly, but they all just dipped

        • Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          8·
          1 year ago

          And it was really great and innovative for its time. Presto was pressing the envelope for so long while other browser engines were happy to do the bare minimum.

          It’s really a shame they just moved to making their own Chromium skin but making and maintaining a Browser engine is expensive. It really is quite impressive that Firefox has lasted this long.

          • NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social
            1·
            1 year ago

            I think part of the problem was websites needing to work on other browsers too. When it’s your own engine if a website doesn’t test against it, the website might be broken. So then the websites say they don’t support such and such browser.

            Less of an issue when its all chromium.

            We run into problems on safari a lot like this

            • Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              3·
              1 year ago

              That wasn’t really part of the problem. The most used browser engines are often some of the most irritating and frustrating to deal with, just look at Internet Explorer for most of its existence. Safari is an obnoxiously widely used browser because Apple enforces its use on iPhone no matter the browser you use and it has a bizarre update schedule tied to OS version. This causes many iPhones to have ancient versions of Safari.

              The problem here is not that there are or were too many browser engines, it is big companies making their browser engines in anticompetitive ways.

              We’re “lucky” that Blink, the engine that runs all Chromium-based browsers, is currently keeping up with browser standards. For now. Who knows if Google will keep it that way or decide to change course and move away from FOSS standards.

              It is dangerous to put so much stock and power into a single huge corporation like this. A large variety of innovative and competing browser engines is far healthier than one dominant engine.

            • Woedenaz@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              4·
              1 year ago

              They sure did! That was the main reason why I swapped to Opera from Firefox forever ago. I believe they also were the first to make the landing page where you could click regular sites that you wanted to go to as well as saving your browser session when it’s closed or crashes, restoring it when you next launch.

            • noughtnaut@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 year ago

              They had one more thing that was the bomb back when 56kbit was enviable, and that was that when you turned off the image loading (some browsers still support “offline” mode, this was a subset of that) it would still display any images that it had in its cache - so you could read your news with the common page elements rendered but not spend time downloading huge article images.

              I’ll shut up now before I reveal my age… 😅

        • SCmSTR@kbin.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          Proof?

          Edit: I used to use it years ago and somebody I know is considering switching from Chrome to it and I’ve not heard anything about this.

          • CookieJarObserver@feddit.de
            23·
            1 year ago

            Opera is owned by a Chinese company, and China companys need to suck their governments balls wich is common knowledge. Also its all chromium Anyway. Use Firefox.

            • Eheran@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              1·
              1 year ago

              So it is like browsers out of the USA then with their secret (company is not allowed to tell anyone about it) data draining laws?

  • CIWS-30@kbin.social
    32·
    1 year ago

    This is why I use Firefox. I honestly don’t think that a browser engine monopoly is good for the world. Single point of failure for everyone with no alternatives is very bad if something nasty happens.

    I think the creators of WINE said something similar about one of their reasons for creating WINE. Wish more browsers would use Gecko.

    • TONKAHANAH@lemmy.world
      71·
      1 year ago

      I just wish chrome wasnt so fucking useful by comparison. its integration into my android phone is equal to none. the firefox browser on android is ok but it does not integrate quite as well as the whole google platform. then there’s the performance on linux. I hate to say it but chrome feels so much smoother and nicer to use on linux than even firefox does. I’ve tried making the full switch to firefox several times, last time I daily drove it for probably almost 3 months but eventually found my way back to chrome, it was just a more enjoyable experience.

      then there is the fact that every website builds their code to ensure it works with chrome, that is one advantage of chrome being the vast majority of the browser user pool, web devs can focus on making sure the one thing works really well.

      that all said, just like wine and linux, it is important that we have a completely separate alternative so we’re not entirely reliant should the ship start to sink. I’ve already fully converted to linux and its been my daily driver for a few years now, not looking back. I know plenty of people are still on windows but with ever new release it feels like they’re doing more and more to punch holes in the SS.Windows ship and i’ll eventually be a sinking boat for enough people who see that an alternative exists. Same will need to be said for chrome vs firefox

      • Dogeek@sh.itjust.works
        24·
        1 year ago

        Chromium being so prevalent means that it’s a monopoly (internet explorer anyone?) and it can control the web standards, which is something Google already does to some extent.

        They also push their agenda with extensions, manifest v3 being way less powerful for ad blocking extensions. All in all, the more people use Firefox, the less power Google has over web standards, and the more devs are forced to make sure that their site works on Firefox.

    • _I_@kbin.social
      62·
      1 year ago

      I actually use Edge as a daily, but I also use Firefox because I want to support them. Unfortunately, Edge and Chrome are superior to Firefox in performance. Edge especially is really really great at resource management, and it doesn’t matter if I have 1 or 700 tabs and windows open. It’ll manage it without any issues. Firefox however, won’t. Sure, it’s rich in features and it’s very very flexible, but it’s not as stable or fast as the former.

      Still love Firefox, though!

      • Facni@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        Well if you use Firefox Nightly with ad-blockers and the latest version of Windows Defender the performance will be comparable to edge and chrome, the only thing is that Firefox uses the RAM that you are not using and that means if you have something open it will run slower.

        • HubertManne@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          cpu and memory on my firefox and edge are about equivalent but I have some browser add ons for managing lots of tabs. I have way more on firefox because its my main browser but I have a fair amount on edge which I use like scratchpad.

    • yesdogishere@kbin.social
      74·
      1 year ago

      sadly, firefox is in fact hte lone bastion against the tide of evil. And even now, we need to abandon MS and IOS. I am not even sure Linux is thsat good. We need a new OS which will defeat all virii. Yes, an OS built on completely new mechanics, to again begin the new pc revolution!

      • WouldYouLikeAnyToast@kbin.social
        6·
        1 year ago

        I am not even sure Linux is thsat good.

        I’ve been using linux mint for a year or two now maybe. It’s fine, and actually there are several things I prefer compared to Windows.

        One of the main issues with Linux as a PC OS is that you can’t run as much different software as you can on Windows. This is largely due to the user base being smaller(IE, why develop an application for an OS when 99% of you userbase is not using that OS).

        Creating a new OS to compete with Windows would have the same issue, and would also struggle to compete.

        Also, there are so many different versions of Linux(distros), as in there are 600+ different distros so if you don’t like one, there are many to choose from. Not liking Linux based on one distro is saying you don’t like ice cream because you tried strawberry ice cream and didn’t like the taste.

        • Contramuffin@lemmy.world
          3·
          1 year ago

          That’s my main complaint with Linux. I really want to switch over, but the software compatibility is abysmal, and I would rather not run a virtual machine or dual boot. I’m really glad that Valve is at least helping out with software compatibility on the gaming side, but compatibility really just needs to improve across all software in general

        • Eheran@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          1·
          1 year ago

          The many different distros are also bad thing for the same reason. The same way 100 different types of flour in the shelve would be overwhelming.

      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        Everyone is quick to shit on Apple and MS, but let’s be real, Google is also a piece of shit company that needs to be lumped into that group.

        • Eheran@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          They removed “Don’t be evil” as their big motto. So indeed fuck them. And yes I know it is still somewhere in their code of conduct or something, but holy cow why would they ever feel the need to move that in the back? Was that after employees did not want to work for military stuff?

  • BuxtonWater@lemmy.ml
    501·
    1 year ago

    Firefox supremacy! Keep the non-chromiuim branch alive forevermore, no centralization please.

  • MT_Book_Wyrm@kbin.social
    1·
    1 year ago

    I would love to use Firefox more regularly, but the shortcut keys built into the browser are a pain in the butt. I haven’t found a way to turn off the onboard keybindings so my own system wide keybinds will work.

    Any tips would be appreciated greatly!

        • ttmx@lemmy.ml
          9·
          1 year ago

          Yes, but not super directly. You increase the market share of chromium based browsers, meaning websites will focus on supporting those browsers, which will make people switch to them to get websites working better. This is all very large scale, it’s complicated.

    • AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world
      51·
      1 year ago

      You sound like someone that doesn’t open 200+ tabs of furry adult imagery on e621 while playing processor intensive games.

      I mean… I’m obviously not that person either, but it would be cool to have the RAM to support it or the correct web browser if I was that type of person. But I’m not. But having that capability would be nice (not because I need it).

      …I don’t look at furry porn.

    • MedicareForSome@lemmy.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      Ever since firefox switched to quantum it’s been great. I would say it outperforms chromium under typical circumstances.

    • Captain Minnette@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      4·
      1 year ago

      For years Firefox on Windows had this weird random bug for me where audio just would not work at random times. I tried every fix imaginable. I spent hours crawling the internet trying to find a solution. Couldn’t fix it. I’ve used it on Linux but not on Windows for a few years now; I’m going to be doing a fresh install of Windows on my computer soon, so we’ll see if the bug finally disappears then.

      • AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        Windows audio issues are the most impossible shit to diagnose. So many programs fight over supremacy in order to control devices. It takes uninstalling vast swaths of shit to determine what the incongruity is. If you can’t figure it out, link me to the most relevant post you got and I’ll try to hack at it.

        Sorry, friend. Figuring that shit out is hell. I know.

    • itchychips@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I’ve had 5k+ tabs open at some points, because I just don’t close any of them, and I often middle click as I want to navigate back to the page I was at. Additionally, a lot of sites break the back button, like collapsing comments re-expanding, or it loads slowly and I wanted to look at it quick. Organization is pretty nice with Tree-Style Tab for Firefox.

      Every few months I purge all of my tabs, but for the most part, I just don’t care when I have 32 GB of RAM.

    • Contramuffin@lemmy.world
      21·
      1 year ago

      I do that (100+ tabs open at any given time) due to my work (research tends to take up a ton of windows) and because I’m too scatterbrained to focus on a single thing at once, but even then I find that Firefox is really good and arguably better than Chrome. Maybe Chrome has improved since I switched over, but Firefox uses significantly less resources than the Chrome that I remember

    • hare_ware@pawb.social
      17·
      1 year ago

      I have ~800 tabs open in Firefox, no real issues unless I flip through all of them or Tab Groups shuffles them all around. My desktop until recently was over a decade old and the new one is barely any faster.

        • hare_ware@pawb.social
          2·
          1 year ago

          Tab Groups+ Tree Style Tabs

          I try to open new windows for every individual thing I do, but sometimes I forgot and the big tab Groups grow.

        • Satiric_Weasel@beehaw.org
          1·
          1 year ago

          … I don’t know if I can even think of a reason I would have thirty tabs open at any given ven time. I’ve never experienced any issues with Firefox, speaking purely from my own personal experience it performs vastly better than Chrome did when I made the switch a couple of years back. To be clear, I can’t conceive of a reason in 2023 where I would feel compelled to open Chrome, or any chromium browser outside of manufactured limitations imposed by a third party. If someone more knowledgeable on the subject has an objection to the above claims I would be happy to hear them; but at this point in time I can’t think of a good reason to use Chrome.

    • Televise@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      I only have three extensions - uBlock Origin, a 3rd party password manager, and SponsorBlock. A fairly minimal setup with only the things I need. Even the Return YT Dislikes extension is not as necessary as people would think.

    • IllNess@infosec.pub
      9·
      1 year ago

      People really got to learn how to use Bookmark All Tabs... properly.

      If you’re in the middle of something and you got to switch to something else, organize all the tabs to separate windows, and use Bookmark All Tabs... to Saved Sessions folder or whatever you want to name it. This will allow each window to be saved individually. Save it with a date and at topic name, like “20230625 Bread maker” then close the window.

      I have a fear of crashing Firefox, restore failing, and losing all my tabs. This fixes most of that.

      Using the Bookmark All Tabs... method has help me organize my tabs, makes syncing with devices easier, and has allowed me to keep browsing sessions completely off my mind until I need them again.

        • IllNess@infosec.pub
          1·
          1 year ago

          Since before version 64, ~2018. There were a bunch of add-ons adding it back in to the menu since Mozilla decided to get of it from the menu but still keep functionality. Besides that, I have no idea how far back they had it.

      • R0cket_M00se@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 year ago

        Well unfortunately it’s about double the CPU and RAM usage for equivalent tabs and extensions to Vivaldi, and V has more baked into it too.

    • monobot@lemmy.ml
      1·
      1 year ago

      Really, I feel like in Groundhog Day and click every time hopping something will be different.