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          likewise I don’t care about America’s internal issues. The part I care about is that he killed fewer people than his predecessors.

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        That’s just objectively wrong, but go ahead with the disinformation.

        If we consider the Koran War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, the war in Afghanistan and the Iraq War, Trump joins Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy and Dwight D. Eisenhower in not having officially brought the United States into a new war since 1945. - Linkhttps://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-modern-us-presidents-new-wa-idUSKBN2A22SN

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          Unless the person you replied to is almost 70 years old, Eisenhower wasn’t president during their lifetime. They’d have to be over 50 for Nixon to have been, 60 for kennedy, 45 for Ford, 42 for Carter.

          Reagan, Clinton, and Obama are probably the only ones applicable from your list, and “starting new wars” can be applied to a few of them in terms of the USA becoming infolved, as others have mentioned.

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        I mean he certainly tried to start a civil war, he’s just so yuge of a failure at everything he does he bungled it.

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          I don’t care about that. I care about the fact that American soldiers committed fewer murders with Trump as president compared to GWB or Obama as president.

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            “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Trump said.

            The Trump administration’s quiet decision this week to roll back part of an Obama-era transparency rule that mandated reporting of civilian casualties from airstrikes has renewed the stark debate over who dies, and how, in U.S. military action abroad.

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            Well its pretty convenient to state that your guy didnt kill anyone if he orders the military and government to stop keeping count, now doesn’t it?

            Thats like saying you arent broke because you refuse to look at your bank account and see those overdraft notices.

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    1 image. Cross-posted everywhere. 👎

    Pretty much every Lemmy user on one community is on the others. This is not “that other site.”

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    One party is actively banning books…

    And that’s just the tip of their Christofascist iceberg.

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      You forgot to barf up the word “ethnostate” right after you barfed up “christofascist”.

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      I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.” The gangrape of that reporter started by one dude in crowd deciding she’s a Jew and therefore fair game. A flash mob realizing a car is in the wrong neighborhood and immediately trying to kill them. Random rocket attacks on civilians foiled only by tech that costs 100x the weapons it defends against.

      I’m not saying Israel is justified, or they aren’t on their way to outright fascism, or they don’t get some murder and torture in on their own.

      I’m saying violence is a perpetual suffering machine that in this case is too late to solve, but we’re forgetting the British started it all, let’s invade England and execute the monarchy.

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        I’ve seen Palestinian crowds chanting “Death to all Jews.”

        Yeah no shit. That’s a natural reaction to jewish people suddenly invading their country and killing their families. Try harder

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          “It’s completely normal to scream for genocide. No, obviously Israel doesn’t get the same benefit in this multi-generational conflict initially caused by outside sources.”

          And you great minds wonder why people assume being anti-Israel is just hidden anti-Semitism lol

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        Oh I think you misunderstood some things there. I see a israeli security minister that is a straight up a right wing extremist. I see that cars from Palestinians can’t enter certain regions in order for them to not get into the “wrong” neighbourhoods. And most importantly of all I see journalists killed by the IDF. Imagine you are oppressed by a apartheid state that was put onto your land by some imperialistic force, but then expands even further into “your” territorry and surpresses you. I do NOT condone the actions by the Hamas. But when Palestinians see violence as the only way out I can see why.

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          And now you’re an Israeli who sees a radical Palestinian and says to themselves “well fuck these guys too then.”

          You see how this works? I don’t feel like the cycle of violence is a new observation. I feel like you should already know one side being bad doesn’t make the other good.

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            Yeah thing is that the gov of Israel is the source of the “cycle”. They create facts by building Israeli settlements on Palestinian territories and say “Welp guess you can’t live there any longer”, they commit warcrimes by falsely stating that they won’t attack, then airstrike, keep normal civilian Palestinians in the world’s largest open air prisons and only continue to strengthen their grip on the Palestinian people.

            Israel is the only party that can actually stop the violence. If the Hamas would stop their attacks it wouldn’t mean that the Palestinians will be treated equal to Israelis by the state. That’s like saying Ukrainians should stop defending their territory cuz they only prolong the suffering that way.

            And for most Israelis it’s sadly “fuck the Palestinians” and not “specifically fuck the actually radical Palestinians” thanks to rigorous propaganda.

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              When Israel was broadly behaving like they didn’t have a wannabe fascist dictator obsessed with an Israeli Manifest Destiny as PM it didn’t stop Hamas either. Do you think if Netanyahu goes to prison where he belongs they’ll suddenly accept the two state solution?

              Because as it is only Fatah seems willing to accept that, and they’re hemorrhaging support.

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    As an Israeli I just want to say: Please someone marry me I need that foreign passport to get out of this shithole :(

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    One thing I absolutely cannot stand is the assumption that if you’re against the Israeli government, you must also be antisemitic. In many cases, nothing could be further from the truth.

    The Israeli government is just as screwed up as any powerful government, and is not immune to criticism. Groundless accusations of antisemitism are often used to unfairly attack critics, distract the listener from valid criticisms, and derail the conversation.

    Of course, many of those accusations are completely justified, which clouds the issue further.

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      It’s a tactic to call all criticism antisemitism.

      Hell, the ADL was created to free a rapist murderer and try to frame a black man.

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      It’s super tricky and problematic. Organizations like AIPAC have many American politicians in their pocket. They pump a huge amount of money into lobbying our government promoting Israeli interests. But this argument gets awfully close to “the Jews have all the money and control the world” type conspiracy thinking which is very frustrating.

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        Most definitely. Just as pointing out unwarranted accusations of antisemitism can sound like victim blaming, and saying that the Israeli government likes it that way can make you come off as a hateful, insensitive jerk.

        Various world politicians “wrap themselves in the flag” all the time. Israeli politicians do the same thing, but they’ve done an especially good job of weaving religion and patriotism together.

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      Vote better voting first. Any kind of preference polling would open the door to actually party reform and 3rd party viability. Ranked Choice Voting (fairvote.org) or anything other than first past the post as we mostly have now is a huge improvement.then vote 3rd party first, followed by the lesser of the old two evils. In no time that 3rd party will be a top contender, but only once we fix our voting system.

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    If only we as Americans had intelligence and the will to survive that Anton Chirgurh, something might actually change, but the bread and circuses are too good for that kind of solidarity

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      The only way for Israel to give up claim of Palestinian territories is to help the strong opposition win over Likud-led Right-wing coalition

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        Israel will never willingly give up the land they stole, the core of Zionist ideology is settler colonialism. The high court and the mainstream opposition parties made it clear that they are neither willing to let Jewish people coexist with Palestinians as equals nor dismantle the oppressive Zionist state.

        It is very short-sighted of you to claim that the only way to return land to their rightful owners is by voting for people who explicitly don’t want to do that.

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    Israel is an apartheid state and fuck that shit. Instead of “Mowing the Lawn” (aka committing genocide by pushing Palestinians out of their homeland) and bombing schools and refugee camps, maybe try socialist policies that lift everyone up. Fuck fascism and fuck racism.

    I realize there’s important nuances I’m overlooking, but I watch enough Democracy Now to know that tiptoeing around or staying silent just gives room for Israel fascists to spread lies based on their feelings, not the truth. This shit’s depressing but fuckin important.

    And don’t take my word for it, check my sources!

    Democracy Now: “Automated Apartheid”: How Israel Uses Facial Recognition to Track Palestinians & Control Movement Understand that no database of a single ethnic or marginalized group has ever had good consequences in history, remember 1930s Germany?

    Democracy Now: From Drone Strikes to Settler Attacks, Israel Intensifies Effort to “Completely Take Over Palestine”

    Democracy Now: Under Fire: Report from Jenin Refugee Camp on Israel’s Largest West Bank Attack in 20 Years

    Democracy Now: “The Palestine Laboratory”: Antony Loewenstein on How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation

    Jacobin: Israel Created the Refugees in Gaza That They’re Now Bombing