Why YSK: because what seems like equal situation from surface isn’t always equal opportunity for all. And even when equal measure of help is provided, it might not be equally useful.
Why do we need a different word for equal access to resources? There are different types of equalities, equity in my mind is the difference between what’s owned minus what’s owed.
I remember this type of post being 90% of r/coolguides
Hahaha the old “they are all wrong give me stuff for free”
OSHA gonna have a word about how they’re using those ladders…
Every time I see this quaint but misleading image reposted it’s necessary to make the same comment: the words attached to each image are do not exclusively represent those images. “Equality” could apply to all but the first; nobody uses “equity” this way; and most people use “justice” to refer to criminal justice and punishment.
Plenty of people use equity this way. Maybe not in your circles, but it’s not a new definition, it’s been around for decades. Millions of people in the US alone do not equate the criminal Justice system with the concept of Justice. Perhaps you should recognize that your perceptions are not able to be applied to the entire population. If you ever find yourself using “nobody” or “everybody” and you have no definitive data backing that up, I would recommend re-examining your biases, because what you appear to be doing is attempting to normalize your beliefs while otherizing the beliefs of others who do not share your view.
It’s an infographic for children…? I think it’s meant to be simple.
I’m sure 18+ people should already have a more nuanced view of what those words mean. And if they don’t I’m sure there are other materials they can peruse to help them understand.
Apparently not simply enough for people to understand it’s point here.
The OP comment did not criticize the comic for being too simple. He called it misleading. You’re both arguing with a strawman.
Someone disagreeing with something doesn’t mean they didn’t understand it. It’s a really poisonous mindset that hampers intellectual discourse and development.
It’s not misleading. If you can explain it better in an easier way by all means…
I wonder if it was written by a non native speaker or a non American because the literal translation in French sounds right.
How would you label the different concepts?
Capitalism: hire an apple picking expert to pick the apples and sell them at exorbitant prices because there is a monopoly on apples.
Communism: send the apple picking expert to work in the steel factory and get a random university professor to pick them instead
Communism: send the apple picking expert to work in the steel factory and get a random university professor to pick them instead
Why? He’s an expert in that, if we don’t have steel mill experts we can train willing participants. Experts should always flow to their field of expertise
The steel mill experts were purged for saying that sending literally everyone to work on smelting steel is unsustainable.
I love that the commies on here ignore the fact that every communist government to date had to rely on mass purges and persecution to rule and STILL became utterly corrupt and generated an elite ruling class. I’m not saying capitalism is the way, truth, and light, but holy fuck for as smart as the fediverse commies think they are, they are woefully blind to history. At this point, even western european-style socialism is a reach for the US but these guys want a commie revolution? These idiots want blood on the walls and meanwhile I just want my four year old to have a decent future.
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Communism is a paradise where everyone gets along and nothing goes wrong. Anything else is not true communism. I just don’t get why that’s so hard to understand.
Obviously communism is when blatant red scare propaganda.
Communism, as an American, is everything I don’t like or understand
Instead of being a fucking asshole, why don’t you educate me? Can you point me to a real life example of a vibrant communist state that didn’t need to metaphorically or literally crush people to further the communist purpose? I’m well aware of the ideals of Marxism, the history of workers movements, and the historical reality of Stalin, Mao, the Khmer, etc. So please tell me what I know nothing about.
Why is that my job? You have access to the internet, fucking do it yourself.
There’s an argument to be made that some people need a guiding hand when it comes to caring for others or to act in ways that are beneficial for others and themselves, but it seemed like most tankies on Reddit at least were anti-west contrarians. Nominally they were anti-imperialist but always ignored non-western imperialism.
Which people need a guiding hand?
Sociopaths and the extremely greedy are two groups off the top of my head.
I think he’s referring to Soviet Russia specifically, where farmers were sent to factories or turned into impromptu pig iron producers because of misguided heavy handed top down policies.
Experts should always flow to their area of expertise
That state of affairs is called “free market”.
Feudalism: A lord owns the land and the trees growing in it. He has a bunch of peasants who will pick the apples for him. The lord gets all the apples and the peasants are allowed to live on his lands another day. Later that night, they go work on their own farms that hopefully give them enough food to keep going. In the long term they’ll probably starve to death or get kicked out of the house they themselves built. I guess living as s hunter-gatherer in the forest isn’t that bad compared to the other alternatives.
Nailed the feudalism.
Missed where they had to tithe their crops to the Lord, besidey that, was very good
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No mate, communism is having state managed Apple pickers that pick apples and give them to manager. Management keeps 40% apples for themselves and then divide rest between the whole town, so that everyone in town gets one tiny piece of apple, whether they like apples or not.
Ew
Equality is letting anyone gather apples on any side of the tree.
I don’t see a fence…
Maybe the real point of the comic is that the girl on the right is really stupid, so we should tilt the tree instead of having her lazy ass move the ladder.
Yet sometimes you can’t choose where you come from or where you stand. Even if you let people stand where they want, some have larger hands or are taller and stronger so can gather more apples.
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Society isn’t a tree it’s a machine so we can bend it all we like.
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humans typically consider it righteous to reduce the amount of human suffering, including at the expense of plants and for some, including at the expense of animals
Key takeaway: Always blame the system
I appreciate the image, but “justice” as it’s described from the image, isn’t what people want progressively.
I used to agree with the picture, everyone should be tested fairly.
Expectations are a bit different though. Execution of what I’ve seen the public want is the Equality picture, but parties switch ladders.
Modern equality isn’t about fairness, it’s about your turn to benefit from the unfairness that’s always inherent in the system. We don’t want to change the system as much as we want our turn.
Life is never fair. The only things that change are perspectives and volume.
Execution of what I’ve seen the public want is the Equality picture, but parties switch ladders.
Nah, that’s just how work towards Equity is portrayed by those who are already standing on the ladder that reaches the tree. I.e., a bunch of fear-mongering about how giving someone else a taller ladder will somehow shrink their own ladder.
Saying “life is never fair” is basically just saying we can’t build a taller ladder, so the only (implicitly unacceptable) solution is to swap ladders.
It’s worth noting that affirmative action is not an example of equity as shown here. AA would be more like giving the left kid the right kid’s ladder so he could stack it on top of his own. Then, the right kid can’t get any fruit and the left kid might get some fruit, but also has a decent chance of just falling over and getting hurt because you can’t stack 2 ladders and expect things to go well.
Equity would be more like offering special classes to kids in disadvantaged communities to help them better prepare for college, and justice would be using federal money to make sure all public schools have adequate funding to provide a high quality education.
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I would even call it social justice. Great visual analogy nonetheless.
I like the boxes and fence one more, this just feels super-contrived
I like owning a home because I finally got some equality.
But that one always brings out the smug responses about how they shouldn’t be watching the game for free, totally (and purposefully) missing the point
My favorite is the meme edit where they just chop off everyone’s legs so that they end up at the same height below the fence.
Fatality!
True justice would be them watering the tree or something. That dude has been giving to these little shits the whole time. Let it be The Getting Tree for once.
The girl could literally just walk to the other side of the tree, there’s no actual barrier. This one is super ham-fisted because it can spark the wrong side of the debate.
it can spark the wrong side of the debate.
any discussion of the topic would though, because those who oppose the basic idea of equality, let alone equity or justice, know only how to derail and/or project, they are not interested in having a sincere discussion, because they whole heartedly believe that some people are worth less than others, and they will justify that in whatever way makes sense to them because in their mind, they’re all that matters.
anarcho primitavism: climb tree oo oo aa aa
Putting supports on trees weakens them. The swaying makes them stronger.
Handicapped people might disagree
Trees aren’t handicapped people. They’re trees.
you know this infographic isn’t literally talking about trees, right?
It’s talking about children robbing a disabled person for their apples?
I do but the last one says it’s fixing the system when it’s propping up the tree and making it weak. Bad metaphor.
That must be it
Big, if true
I rest my case
Holy in shit, I better… I just need to go. Now. Unrelated…
What do you mean?
They mean they benefit from the way things currently work, so the mere suggestion that the system needs to change in order for others to benefit too makes them so anxious they need to do a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify to themsleves why the idea is “no good”
I get you’re coming from a good place, but we’re disabled, not handicapped
You can’t criticize people for using the word handicapped after it has been pushed as the politically correct word for decades.
It’s still the mainstream politically correct word in the English speaking West. Using disabled can land you in hot water in a professional or political environment.
That’s a pile of bullshit so big it could only come from an abled person who hasn’t spent a second of their life listening to actual disabled people.
So I can, and I will.
And people can then choose to be respectful and make the tiniest adjustment to their vocabulary, or they can choose to continue to use a harmful term despite now knowing full well that it is harmful, proving to others just how little of a shit they give about disabled people.
The choice is yours.
Just a language thing, sorry. In my country this word does not have any negative connotation.
I think it’s much more likely that it does have negative connotations (especially since the etymology of the word itself is negative, there is no way around that. Never mind the stigma it carries), but no one has pointed it out to you until this point.
But now you know, and since language matters, please just say the word and in future call us what we are - disabled people.
I genuinely have multiple friends who use that word about themselves. It isn’t negative unless people perceive so.
First of all, thanks for proving you’ve not bothered reading any of the information I linked, because it clearly states otherwise:
So King Henry VII passed some landmark legislation. He proclaimed that begging in the streets be legal for people with disabilities. So into the streets, with their “cap in hand”, went King Henry’s disabled veterans, to beg for money”. So with cap in hand referred to beggars, or people of no value in society.
The term is also used in horseracing and wagering. It measures the superiority of one contestant over another. This is the belief that one participant is stronger or better than another. The word “handicap” is rating one thing better or worse than another.
It appears that “handicapped” seems to have begun to describe a wide range of disadvantages, including social, economic and even moral standards. The website by Arika Okrent (2015) reports: “Handicap began to be applied to physical and mental differences in the early 1900s, when the new fields of sociology and social work started looking at people in terms of their place in society as a whole”. The term was used to describe people viewed as physically or mentally flawed.Second of all, disabled people reclaiming a word for themselves, no matter how friendly you are with them, still doesn’t give you the right to use it to describe the rest of us (or at all except for if your friends specifically asked you to, and I’d honestly consider whether they actually want to be called that, or that they know that you would react as badly as you are here, so don’t bother to correct you because they have better things to spend their energy on than educating a “friend” who would use them as debate tools to prove how not ableist you are. Hint: doing that is ableist), just like you don’t go around using the N word or the F and T slurs, all of which have been reclaimed by their own community but are still derogatory when used by outsiders.
So like I told that other person:
you can choose to be respectful and make the tiniest adjustment to your vocabulary, or you can choose to continue to use a harmful term despite now knowing full well that it is harmful, proving to me and others just how little of a shit you give about disabled people.I’ve done my part, the choice is yours, and you’re clearly choosing to prioritise your own ego over respecting disabled people on the most basic level.
Which I guess only leaves me feeling sorry for your “friends” (or should I say tokens?)
My point is that words are part of languages which change very fluidly, and you could make the same argument for hundreds of other words.
If the word isn’t considered bad by anyone hearing it or anyone it describes, nothing is wrong with it. Many meanings are different between your language and mine, even though they sound alike or share some etymology.
Putting supports on trees weakens them.
Just like giving free hand-outs to people.
GIviNG FoOD to HUnGry pEople Makes thEm weakeR
Give a man to fish feed him for a day… teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.
People like you want to keep a group of people endlessly indebted, while the rest of us want that group to stand on their own.
Okay cool, so let’s raise wages so everyone can afford to buy their own food.
Let’s just give everyone a million dollars because money is clearly an infinite resource!1!!! Brilliant! /s
The people in the infographic are literally working for their own food.
Infographic is a strong word for this meme
Semantics.
Give me a break. There are no solutions put forward by people that argue against welfare other than “bootstraps.” Or even worse “let the weak die.” It has nothing to do with helping people grow. Hell even when solutions focused on growth are put forward to help growth in new environments (training coal miners to do different work for example) the arguments become something about heritage or family history in mining. It always seems like it’s opposition for the sake of opposition.
The main argument against welfare always seems to stem from a desire to have less taxation as they believe welfare support is stealing from them. A.k.a being selfish. There is never any thought about what to do to help those in need.
Stand on your own, they say to the starving person, put some effort into your appearance they say to the homeless person, just stop being so miserable they say to the depressed person
And those people who get themselves out of poverty almost universally state that building a work ethic and an ability to stand on their own is how they got to where they were, not through endless hand-outs and being coddled. Dependency is just like any other addiction and some people rather see these people endlessly fail than actually try to help them move up in the world and make it on their own.
You are an enabler, plain and simple.
The apples in the picture are jobs that pay enough for food and a house within a daily commute of that job.
Not everyone has access to that. That access is necessary before the Teaching aspect can be effective. Teaching only works if the lesson is usable with the resources available.
The ladders are teaching programs tailored to the resources available in that community.
The adjusted tree is updated communities with better resources - better transit, better grocery availability, better childcare options, better school options, better medical options.
This has been “Children’s books explained in painful detail.” Tune in next time for Goodnight Moon. I’m joking. I don’t know that the heck goodnight moon is about.
Ha, I didn’t even notice those. So many memes straight up are shitty for one reason or other.
Equality of outcomes is commie speech
Wow I didn’t know communism was so based and perfect. Thanks for letting me know what system to base my belief system around, kind stranger!
