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They were determined that it was all a hoax because they don’t know anyone who died.
Even if they knew someone who died, they insisted it wasn’t covid, even to the point of keeping it off death certificates.
The shots never stopped spread
Physician here. Masks absolutely reduce transmission and the chance of contracting COVID.
Here is the definitive study on the subject.
Here is a video of a presentation by one of the authors along with some demonstrations and explanations.
TLDR: Here is the Abstract:
There is ample evidence that masking and social distancing are effective in reducing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. However, due to the complexity of airborne disease transmission, it is difficult to quantify their effectiveness, especially in the case of one-to-one exposure. Here, we introduce the concept of an upper bound for one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles and apply it to SARS-CoV-2. To calculate exposure and infection risk, we use a comprehensive database on respiratory particle size distribution; exhalation flow physics; leakage from face masks of various types and fits measured on human subjects; consideration of ambient particle shrinkage due to evaporation; and rehydration, inhalability, and deposition in the susceptible airways. We find, for a typical SARS-CoV-2 viral load and infectious dose, that social distancing alone, even at 3.0 m between two speaking individuals, leads to an upper bound of 90% for risk of infection after a few minutes. If only the susceptible wears a face mask with infectious speaking at a distance of 1.5 m, the upper bound drops very significantly; that is, with a surgical mask, the upper bound reaches 90% after 30 min, and, with an FFP2 mask, it remains at about 20% even after 1 h. When both wear a surgical mask, while the infectious is speaking, the very conservative upper bound remains below 30% after 1 h, but, when both wear a well-fitting FFP2 mask, it is 0.4%. We conclude that wearing appropriate masks in the community provides excellent protection for others and oneself, and makes social distancing less important.deleted by creator
TY! Also a physician. So tired of this discussion. Everyone is masked in my clinic. Anecdotal, and my partner and I are still covid free, and hope to continue. Masking, distancing, hand washing, and isolation when sick, these simple, time tested, behavioral changes can significantly reduce risk of infection.
reduce
Sadly, a huge portion of the American public don’t have this word in their vocabulary. Masks and vaccines either eliminate all risk, and “work” or don’t completely eliminate all risk and therefore “don’t work.”
This lower ape thinking inflicted so much unnecessary death and suffering here.
It’s an intentional thing, pushed by propagandists. Thinking in absolutes reduces the need for critical thinking skills as whole. When you can make people boil everything in the world down to a binary, its very easy to tell them how to think, and equally easy to define the “out” group you all hate.
To wit, when masks “work or don’t work”, you can look at the people telling you to wear masks, and because masks “don’t work” they’re wrong, and if they’re wrong, then the people we aren’t telling you to wear a mask are right. You should always follow people who are right… right?
Lol nice conspiracy theory, but it’s not the truth
I wear a mask when I’m out in public and not feeling well. I won’t wear one otherwise.
This is why people spread the disease. For dummies like you :)
Covid mostly spreads through asymptomatic cases. Ignorance kills (or causes long covid).
I’ve stopped giving handshakes to almost anyone, favouring the ol’ terrorist fist jab instead. I get awkward reactions sometimes but some people seem to get why. Masking up again is gonna be fun, can’t wait to hear the vaxxosckeptics tell me all about how everything is a hoax again.
I’ve never stopped wearing a mask in public transport/while grocery shopping etc. and I don’t think I will =/
Same. I lost my spouse to Covid in ‘22, I’m never going to get over it, it was horrifying. I’m old too, and starting to feel my age, so that’s another added worry. So I’m never going to stop wearing a mask in public, I’ve resigned myself to it.
Fuck I am so sorry. Gonna continue wearing the mask for people like you especially.
Aww and thank you.
I stopped, but only because the active infections went down to a negligible number in my area.
Are you sure they weren’t just being recorded anymore? How many people continued to test themselves and informed the responsible people? I know at least in Germany we don’t have any accurate numbers anymore.
I saw a major drop in cases coming into my hospital as well. People just weren’t coming in with COVID symptoms. Not nearly the amount of airborne precautions on rooms. They were shutting down entire floors during delta.
For me that would just be anecdotal data and I would not base my actions on that.
Right, I based it on the opinions of our infectious disease doctors who made the recommendation to stop masking except on certain patients. That decision was based on infectious cases in our community. You can use your feelings, I’m following that data interpreted by medical doctors.
Bit defensive there eh? It was also medically licensed doctors that recommended ivermectin as a cure for covid. Hope you didn’t follow that advise:)
Me neither. I’m also in a part of the United States where people seem to give a damn at least a little more. I’m never the only person wearing a mask in the stores I shop at. And shockingly (not really), we have a lot less COVID-19 than the national average.
So, not planning to stop any time soon.
I still do, though nearly zero of that is due to virus stuff. I’d say for me it’s 95% I’m too lazy to retrain myself to keeping a neutral expression, 4% because hiding my ugly mug seems polite, and 1% sickness reduction ( combination of allergies, flu, covid. Etc)
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IMO people should wear masks if they have to go out with any cold/flu type illness. Stops them spreading their germs to other people.
Covid spreads easily because people who have it are often asymptomatic.
For god’s, sake, it’s been 3.5 years. How do people still not know this?
No, if your sick you stay home. If you might spread of dangerous disease of which people and their immune systems are largely unused to dealing with and you otherwise cannot tell if your sick, then you wear a mask.
Why hear mask? Dont leave the house. But the police should make sure this happens!
Honestly I’m sad for everyone that works manual labor. Wearing a mask absolutely lowers the chance of both transmitting covid and getting covid, but working in 90+ degree weather lifting heavy shit for 8 hours a day wearing a mask sucks. It gets moist as all hell and fogs your glasses.
Source: I unloaded trucks outside all day 5 days a week for the entire summer of 2020 and 2021.
Id rather be sick for a week than wear a mask doing physical labour.
Who says you won’t be one of the 15 perfect who get long covid?
That’s a dumb take.
What do you do for a living? For many, wearing a mask while working is a recipe for guaranteed heat exhaustion. I’m not subjecting myself to that, and if the illness is anything at all like the last time I had it, it was a goddamn cold.
Wearing a mask in a hospital full of people with compromised health and all sorts of contagions floating around is a really good idea.
Wearing a mask outdoors in the summer time on a construction site full of other able-bodied people is just fucking silly.
What kind of construction work are you talking about if you’re not wearing a mask? Anything that produces fine dust or requires working with volatile chemicals like paints and aerosols requires you to work in a mask at all times. Do you have any work safety regulations in your country?
A lot of people are doing manual labour in a mask even without COVID, but simply to protect their lungs from excessive pollution in a workplace. Don’t be sad, working in a mask is a norm.
I mean I understand why people do it, but it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t suck and doesn’t make work just a little less tolerable for those having to deal with it.
Have you worked manual labor in a mask in the summer?
As somebody with family in the extremely high risk of death category twice over, I’ll make sure we’re all extra careful.
Unfortunately, masks only protect others, not yourself, and so we must rely on the intelligence of others around us to wear masks to protect their loved ones and the at risk British population.
So, we shall see. Mark my words, if these people kill my family, I will never forgive them. Right wing antivax tossers and left wing apathetic idiots, I’ll never forgive either group. On my deathbed in the 2080s I won’t forgive them.
No wait! Boris came on TV and said it was all over. He wouldn’t lie, would he? Oh, yeah.
Nah I’m good.
I’m waiting for my gov or health authorities to recommend it. Otherwise I don’t think I’ll wear one.
Hey everybody! Lets all return to the office! Quick! Commercial real-estate landlords aren’t rich enough. We need to fill those buildings ASAP!
Office buildings are either test tubes or petri dishes depending on the height to width ratio.
I’m in Europe and it’s anecdotal but there are SO many acquaintances that are sick with corona right now. Also not particularly mild, some are in bed since 1+ week with bad symptoms. Fuck this virus and fuck the people who don’t care about the well-being of the person next to them.
Japan here. Both wife and I have many sick coworkers. Nearly all of them were corona positive.
I have the first friend that has really bad long-covid now, too. She’s visibly weaker and exhausted. Ouff.
I worry that long covid is going to be one of the things that breaks the global economy long-term (likely leading to accelerated automation), if we can’t sort out a therapy for it.
Also in Europe (Germany) and there have been a lot of people OOO due to illness. So far my family has stayed free of it.
there have been a lot of people OOO due to illness
They died and became ghosts?
I’m in Finland. Haven’t heard a thing about corona from anywhere other than news for the longest time. It’s like it vanished
I couldn’t get my booster back in April (in Latvia), because “the is no demand for it” so they just stopped offering them.
My mum works at a pediatrician. The other day she told me how they stopped ordering covid tests because there was literally no one coming to get tested.
What would testing achieve now, anyways? Since there is no mandated isolation we can just treat it like any other disease and stay at home until we’re healthy, no matter if it actually is covid
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Thanos much?
I appreciate the sentiment but that really would ruin life for the rest of us as the world economy and all industries crashed.
Economy and politics instead of human rights and health. Yeah I see you bootlicker.
But human rights and health would be impacted if half the population died. Water treatment facilities and the like aren’t completely staffed by progressive, mask wearing, considerate individuals. There is a lot of infrastructure that would fail pretty damn quick.
Plus 4ish billion people dying isn’t really something we should want lol i’d settle for “hopefully getting COVID re-fucks your brain into recognizing empathy and social responsibility” for those people.
Less is more. Have to start somewhere. Billions of people who only want weath over anything else need to go. Whether they are innocent or not. Capitalism is a fucking disease and you defend it.
What about the human rights of half of humanity that you’re calling to be wiped out? Lmao
Tell it to the billions that work in slavery so you can buy fashion and MacBooks. 🥾👅🤡🤢🤮
Weak troll
Consume more electronics built by slaves. Capitist bootlicker to billionaires.
Either a troll or a moron lol. They aren’t even laying out any sort of argument, just repeating the same shit (on what I can only assume is an electronic device that “slaves” made for them to purchase)
I’m in Australia and half my kids class was sick last week. Me and the kid both tested positive today. It is pretty rough.
Nobody here cares at all any more. This is my first but most people are on their 2nd or more go around. Its not even discussed, there are zero masks, and people are sending their kids to school sick.
All our care and caution just in the bin because people just don’t give a shit
People with a brain and a spine won’t give up their lives just because they might get a cold
Yeah and dickheads without a clue or a sense of morality will continue to take other peoples lives to save themselves a minor inconvenience. Murica!
because wearing masks did shit. that’s why.
vaccines did.
I’m not just going to downvote you here, because I think this is an information problem.
Here’s a cool video about mask efficacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI
And a study on the topic: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm
The tl:dr is that masks are ac5ually extremely effective at reducing infection by respiratory diseases if both the infected and uninfected parties wear them.
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It’s funny, I didn’t get COVID while I was wearing a mask, but caught it after we were vaccinated and I stopped wearing them.
wearing masks did shit
Citation needed.
Mask mandates were not only ineffective, they were harmful. They damaged the health of the public
it’s not about science. it’s about public perception. masks didn’t stop covid. vaccines did.
people will not wear masks again. they would probably get another vaccine though.
ending covid = getting rid of mask mandates, in the publics viewpoint.
Ok, in this context you are right in spiritt. Masks are stoping tje spread, but in the grand scheme of things it is mostly about slowing it down.
However I don’t think saying the masks do nothing is right at all. Masks are still useful.
Except he’s not right in any sense with that logic. “masks didn’t work because people feel like they didn’t work” is not a valid argument.
He is right in sense that vaccines “stopped” covid, while masks were mostly just slowing it down but not enough to “stop” it. That’s what I meant by being right in spirit. Otherwise I agree he is wrong.
No, vaccines slowed covid even more than masks, but covid is still around. “Stop the spread” is a more catchy slogan than “Slow the spread” would have been.
It might have to do with the fact that by far most of the population has some degree of immunity now due to infection or vaccination, making the disease much less lethal than it was, and now completely comparable to other flu viruses. I don’t want everyone to freak out every time some mild disease is in season. Yes, it sucks to get a cold, and it sucks to get the flu, but if nobody ever catches them we will have very low levels of immunity in the population, making it far worse when people do eventually catch them.
After covid I was bedridden a couple weeks because of common colds. Thats never happened before. The amount of people hospitalised due to other diseases than covid also spiked (we have statistics for this). The reason was that very few people had gotten sick for two years, so nobody had any immunity agains anything they weren’t vaccinated against (which is most cold- or flu viruses).
So your standpoint is that you want people to walk around making each other sick regardless of the consequences? And your reason for this is that you spent two weeks in bed? That’s whacky man
So your standpoint is that you want people to walk around making each other sick regardless of the consequences?
I never said that. I said that if nobody ever gets sick, the consequences are much larger when disease does spread. Just check the statistics for any country post-covid lockdowns, and you will se a spike in non-covid related respiratory disease. Plenty of doctors and researchers have pointed out that the reason was very little respiratory disease during lockdowns/quarantining periods leading to low immunity in the population. I want to minimise the consequences long-term, and I’m saying that I prefer to get mildly sick once or twice a year over getting extremely sick every other year.
And your reason for this is that you spent two weeks in bed?
It seems like you didn’t even read the whole paragraph. As I said, what I experienced wasn’t unique, but something we could also see in statistics over hospitalisations. I’m lucky enough to only have been in bed, but for people with preexisting conditions, the same infections could have been much worse. Again: If most people get mildly sick every now and then (as we always have) we prevent outbreaks from wreaking havoc and hospitalising a bunch of people when the do happen.
No, most people don’t have some degree of immunity. They found out very early during the pandemic that Covid damages the immune system and that you can basically assume you won’t gain immunity. Stop pretending it’s the flu.
Fun fact: if you got sick during the first wave, getting it again will not result in any immunity.
I’m not pretending coronavirus is literally a type of flu virus. It just happens to be a novel flu virus that we don’t have as much exposure and immunity to yet. There are plenty of historical examples of what happens when a population is hit by a virus that it has little or no immunity against, even though that virus is relatively harmless to those with immunity.
That is not an argument against vaccines, and it is not an argument against all the precautions that were taken when Covid-19 first hit. Those were both necessary for the population to build as much immunity as possible, with as few as possible deaths and as little as possible sickness.
It is an argument for the fact that Covid-19 must be treated differently now and in the future vs. how it was initially treated. It is now a virus that most of the population as some degree of immunity against (due to both infections and vaccines). If you doubt that that’s the case, just look at the reproduction numbers for Covid-19 outbreaks, which are still ongoing. In the initial waves, just a handfull of infections were capable of spreading to entire countries, killing thousands, within just weeks. If a handfull of people get Covid-19 now, that is no longer the case, even though we aren’t quarantining people. This is a direct result of herd immunity. Just like we have flu season, where different flu viruses spread in local epidemics, Covid-19 will continue to spread in local, seasonal epidemics in the foreseeable future (likely “forever”), but it is no longer the same threat as it was when nobody had any immunity to it.
