• gonzo0815@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.

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      Furthermore,

      Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies

      -- Machiavelli in the Prince

      Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.

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        From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men’s families were being threatened. Prigozhin’s family was kept safe, of course, but I don’t think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.

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    Where, oh where are all of our apologists?

    Maybe still figuring out what the “talking points” will be?

    We’re all waiting for the inevitable bullshit.

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      They were here early in the thread and are just arguing with people pages back in there. Whatabouting about the US over and over.

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    I don’t even know how to react to this news: On one hand Wagner Prigozhin is a person who is ideologically much worse than Putin (basically full-blown fascist as opposed to imperialist), but on the other hand he could have helped with increasing unrest in Russia which could technically mean chaos on Russian side of the front and opportunity for Ukraine to make some gains, but of course that’s long time due, due to giving up on march on Moscow.

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      My question is does this create a vacuum, and if so who fills that void? Time will tell.

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        it was shared online that wagner Prigozhin had a die hard following of people within his private army, and that they may retaliate in some way.

        What I’m concerned about, is that further destabilization of putin and his power, only increases the likelihood of him resorting to nuclear weapons. To people in power, their greatest fear is losing said power. I just hope whoever is in charge of turning the keys and pushing “The button,” is strong enough to disobey orders.

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    Taking down a private plane in civilian airspace with Russian air defense is a surprising escalation, even for Putin. Even Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was downed by surrogate forces offering a certain amount of deniability.

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    Checklist to become an accident in Russia.

    • Windows: checked✅
    • Heights: checked✅
    • Back: checked✅
    • Crony: checked✅
    • Potential adversary: checked✅
  • Mossy Feathers (She/They)@pawb.social
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    The thing I find strange about this is, why was he in Russia to begin with? I thought he was last seen in Africa just a couple days ago. How’d he end up on a plane flying between Moscow and St. Petersburg?

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        *gasp* but that’s… That’s… impossible! But I was told Africa was all mud huts and wooden spears!!!

        Joking aside, I know Africa has airports, but since Wagner has been supposedly moving their operations to Africa to fight against groups like ISIS and al Qaeda I’m a bit surprised that he wasn’t busy setting up operations there. I would think he’d want to be overseeing the operations there since it sounded like they were going to be making that their primary mission now.

        Maybe daddy Putin got angy because the move was pulling soldiers out of Russia to fight in Africa. Then he called him for an in-person scolding, and when the scolding didn’t get through to him, Putin had to make an example of him.

        Another possibility is that it wasn’t Putin, but instead another military leader who got pissy about Prigozhin being daddy’s favorite, in which case we might see another person fall out a window.

        Or maybe it’s all a hoax because Prigozhin knows his life will probably end when his usefulness expires, so he faked his death to try and avoid Putin’s wrath after the war is over.

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          I think Putin just waited for some Wagner bosses to be on the same plane. Prigozhin has been successful in Niger and felt safe to fly with Utkin. The leftovers of Wagner will now be integrated into the Russian military.

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      I’m not sure but maybe him being in Africa was a lie? Maybe to make Putin think he’s not in Russia anymore?

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        he recorded a video yelling about something somewhere in sahel two days before incident, and next day he went to russia

        why would he stage it up? wagner has known activities in africa

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    Please note that the official title of the article is:

    Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.

    Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.

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      The whole thing is sus:

      • Prigozhin stages a march onto Moscow
      • Putin runs away to St Petersburg, where a couple vans full of allegedly Prigozhin’s money get found, so he just stops short of Moscow and turns around
      • Prigozhin runs away to Belarus, Wagner to split between “core” in Belarus and the rest getting incorporated into Russia’s military
      • Russia blocks food export from Ukraine, holds a conference with African countries where it promises to send food
      • Niger sees a military coup, asks for Wagner help, Russia agrees, Prigozhin releases video of himself in Africa

      …just a couple days later…

      • Prigozhin in a private plane over Russia, north of Moscow, in route to St Petersburg, crashes and dies along with other Wagner leadership

      …wait, what? How? Why? Wasn’t he just in Africa, and not welcome in Russia?

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      You know you can rename posts with clickbait titles right? Maybe just ask the user to rename and kick or ban him if he does not comply.

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      While the article is named that, his death has been confirmed by the Russian government and afaik the genetic samples are being analysed

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        As of this moment, there is no credible news source that confirms with 100% certainty that he’s dead. It’s likely, but not confirmed.

        When making claims like this, always provide your source.