EDIT: no, I don’t sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they’re losing an argument ;)
That’s it, I’m defederating Lemmy.ml for this slight.
Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.
I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activities: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.
Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users I’ve said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.
I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire incidences very soon, this way, this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)
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This post is about leftism not conservatism
This is what the nazis want you to believe lmao
Far left and far right on a venn diagram is a circle.
You mean Auth left and Auth right. Far left and far right have nothing in common.
Your “far right” in the states’ is both parties. Dems are not true leftists obviously.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Do you consider yourself a dem? Then you are a lib and not a leftist. It’s okay to be confused here <3
That’s the most laughable thing I have read today
I want my experience to be free of that shit, as well as “look at this cute picture of Stalin being a silly boy, hehe”
Go back to your Fox News
laptop?
Ah I see, thanks.
The funniest part is when two instances federate, but the userbases of both instances want to defederate with each other immediately afterwards lol.
personally i want to kiss the liberals with tongue, while they call me a tankie
I want to smooch every person who calls me a liberal
It’s intriguing how everyone that views themselves as moderates/liberals forget (or are unacquainted with it) about the paradox of tolerance.
Tolerance implies everyone has a right to express their ideas and you want that. You want everything out in the open, so you can pick at it, dismantle it and render it pitiful, ridiculous and useless.
You want the intolerant crying out loud that you are intolerant as that means you are doing the right thing. The intolerant want silence, forced, while the tolerant want noise, anger, tension.
Remember that anything worthwhile needs to be fought for. Don’t regret being vocal and harsh towards intolerance.
That is a pretty ironic comment because that is not what the paradox of tolerance is at all. The paradox of tolerance is that intolerance needs to be suppressed for tolerance to exist, since tolerance can’t exist alongside intolerance.
The paradox is that tolerance needs to be intolerant towards intolerance in order for a tolerant society to exist, literally the exact opposite of what you wrote.
And in order to do that you need intolerants to speak up, so that their rethoric can dismantled.
Not a hard concept to grasp.
actually both definitions are right. hence the name, paradox.
paradox does not mean ‘has two definitions’. It means the ONE definition contains a contraction, i.e. ‘tolerance needs to be intolerant towards intolerance in order for a tolerant society to exist’ contains a contradiction.
Really can’t agree that qyron is right, doesn’t seem to know what the paradox of tolerance is
So… my guess is that you’re referring to the CSAM then?
What the fucking fuck point are you making exactly?
Literally no different than every other echo chamber people cultivate in life.
you are completely free to discuss with tankies all you want, even if instances defederate (for example, you could make an account on their instance)
Just ignore them
i already understand them and i dont give a fuck about discussing in an online forum
Blue nazi
What a simple, stupid argument.
A hit dog will hollar.
Welcome to memes@Lemmy.ml
Yeah op’s a fuckin moron to an extreme level
You can’t enter a discussion with somebody who’s just trying to bombard you into submission. OP is wildly ignorant or just somebody sad they’re being defederated on a different account.
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we’re unhinged, but I don’t know what a “commienazi” is supposed to be. kind of sounds like a contradiction.
What is Nazi about hexbear? Seriously just making up stuff now
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Citation needed
you all fit the annoying blue-haired leftist stereotype too exactly
I didn’t realize we’d gone through a time portal to 2015 lmao
Although I suppose that’s less important right now than all the beeping coming from this when you talk about nonbinary people
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He literally baited you to respond exactly as you did. While I’m not a communist, that was smart and you are dumb to not have seen that…
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Yeah, they really showed that we will call someone a Nazi after they come out of the gate equating us to Nazis and then start saying transphobic shit and going off about blue-haired SJWs, we’re so owned by this, somehow.
Hopefully defed from your instance
Boy calling us nazis to saying non binary people just have a mental illness in one fucking comment.
You libs really fucking love telling on yourself.
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But this kind of uncharitable reading is common with your hexbear assholes
some shut-in 22-year-old called me a lib
Commienazi troll instances (hexbear, lemmygrad)
You literally called us Nazis in your top level comment you fucking moron.
From zero to transphobia in two posts! This looks like a new world record from @frosch@lemm.ee! The crowd is going wild. Of course, they did get some heat into their bigotry tyres during their warmup lap where they aced the Holocaust trivilization coner, which put them on a perfect line to hug the apex of transphobe’s chicaine and finished with the classic blue haired leftist move.
It’s like, a person disagrees on a leftist issue like do non binary genders exist (a matter of sociological theory)
Go ahead and tell all the non binary people that they actually don’t exist, it’s just all sociological. Is this the new “it’s all in your head” stuff they used to tell gay kids back in the day?
Not even going to get started on the transphobia in your comment, trans kids shouldn’t get the medical treatment now because some countries are banning it. Great logic, it’s not like countries have ever prescribed incorrect medical treatment to LGBT people before. Alan Turing? Who’s that again?
What the hell is wrong with artificial hair colours? I’d never dye my hair an unnatural colour myself, but it’s a cool look on some people. What is the “blue haired leftist stereotype?” Is it some right wing American meme?
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And? How does that make non-binary gender any less real? Which is what you implied with your original comment, by asking if it exists or not.
Many things are matters of social practice, doesn’t make them any less real.
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The debate isn’t about this.
You’re right. It’s about whether nonbinary people and trans people in general deserve rights and social validation. Which they do. End of discussion.
In the same way that Christianity or Wicca are real
it’s also real that there are people who don’t believe than one can be non-binary
So if someone holds the view that they don’t believe it’s possible for a person to be a Christian even though there’s millions of people that call themselves Christian do you think that means the question of whether or not there are people that are Christian is up for debate? That’s insane.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that men don't exist. All "men" are just NBs doing it for attention.
(apologies to trans men for this bit)
Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.
I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activists: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.
Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users I’ve said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.
I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire incidences very soon, this way, this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)
Also freedom of speech is between your government and you. Your government can’t censor speech, private companies, individuals, organizations, ect, can censor your speech or censor themselves from hearing it. All rights are only between an individual and their government.
The private property rights that give private companies the ability to censor your speech are created and inforced by the government in the first place, so functionally it’s not different. A handful of massive companies who functionally own the government getting to police what is acceptable speech is not functionally different from the government doing it directly.
Oh absolutely, taken in a greater context which I totally neglected to say that’s absolutely true.
All rights are only between an individual and their government
Different rights have different scopes. Some rights, like the right to live, are between everyone. Some others, like the right to receive a purchased product, are only between buyer and seller. Freedom of speech “just happens” to be between individual and government, in countries where it’s even a right.
The blocking instances thing won’t necessarily solve this problem.
You might be able to block posts from an instance but not comments or votes.
Blocking votes is not a concern, but it’s the comment toxicity that is (in my opinion) making this place lose something very special.
IDK, I think brigading / vote manipulation has more of an impact than most realise.
Yes. If they want to do that shit they can do it somewhere else. Hell, take it to Facebook.
