Britain did brexit and a bunch of other countries elected right wing nut jobs in response to globalization, not just the us

I thought we had already established the public has the right to film on duty police, no exceptions.

Lol all my comments make it clear I hate zionists. Fuck zionists.

So you admit there’s no single starting point for the conflict if pre-nakba events are taken into account, you just like to make an incredibly complex issue black and white to make yourself feel smart then? Its fine for Palestinian nationalists to take actions to expel jews from the region that became Israel, but because Israel formed a state to defend itself, they are in the wrong?

If neither side were fundamentalist shit heads trying to destroy their neighbors way of life, they wouldn’t have these problems. When Arabs were the majority with the power the killed and drove the jews out in the name of nationalism, now the Israelis do the same

And both groups disgust me, and would hurt and destroy my way of life if they had the power to do so. If pslestinian Arabs wanted to use the dhemmi system when they had power, what right do they have to insist equal treatment now? Bunch of hypocrites

The world would be better off if Jerusalem were wiped off the planet. Then no one gets it. Problem solved.

Sorry its just so rare to find someone who completely understands every aspect of a 100 year war and has all the answers.

So nothing that happened pre-Nakba matters, Amin al-Husseini and the attacks in the 1920’s don’t count because reasons?

Then please point to the original aggression

and you learned nothing. And you refused to engage with or acknowledge any information that complicates your opinion that Palestine = innocent victim. You won’t admit out loud that Palestinians refused to live in peace with Israel, just as Israel has refused to live in peace with Palestine.

I wonder which of us is arriving at an informed worldview, and which of us is DunningKrugering around the internet name-calling.

When do you start the timeline though? The Palestine / Israel conflict has been going for 100 years right? Are you comfy saying Israel is the original aggressor?

Full disclosure: I dislike all fundamentalist religious societies. I don’t believe in holy land, and I think people on both sides are reaping what they’ve sown by insisting they are gods chosen people. So I’m not defending Israel, but I’m not defending Palestine (and especially Hamas) either.

I heard an Israeli coworker claim that the IDF is the worlds most moral army. With blind-belief like that, they are gonna commit some crazy atrocities.

Fuck Hamas, Fuck Israel, and fuck everyone who believes they should have power. Are we better now?

Your source mentions internal patriarchal control on the same level as the Israeli occupation. Almost like you just ignore evidence that yea, Sunni Muslim populations who welcome Shar’ia law don’t provide good lives for women by definition.

You also ignored my question about what Hamas would do to Israel if they had more weapons / power.

You’re the one confusing Palestine and Hamas. Israel is attacking the Gaza strip which is run by Hamas.

I think calling it a socioeconomic war strips away all the context of the last 100ish years. These groups are fighting over who gets Jerusalem, because they believe it’s holy. The socioeconomic conditions in Palestine are the result of a long holy war that they are losing. Tell me I’m wrong.

They used to just say they were in favor of a Jewish state. Now that they have it, they say they need more Palestinian land so they take more land and say that when they do it, it’s holy.

Fuck zionists

Bro saying Hamas doesn’t have a ‘perfect track record’ is the biggest understatement. They push towards fundamentalism every chance they get and rose to power through violence.

I wear clothes that show my arms and legs below the knee, and I like to be able to go outside at night. Audacious I know, for me to want the same freedoms as men. Do you need sources for the fact that I can’t do this in Palestine? Do you need sources for the fact that when Palestine started to see more beach tourism, HAMAS swooped in to crackdown on women on the beach?

Im not silly enough to think that if these abrahamic religions spread that I will be spared.

You’re right. Palestine are victims now. If Israel stopped being funded by the west, Israel would be the victims next. You disagree?

Has your country been attacked / been in any wars?

I assure you no one is trying to do ‘proportional’ damage. Thats not how anything works. Someone attacks you, you try to crush them.

All the same I wish the US would stop subsidizing Israel because they suck too. They might not do so well against Palestine then.

Same for Israel … establishing a peaceful secular democracy? I agree. And I wish the US would stop subsidizing their madness, but our religious fundamentalists (who have too much power) think they need their religious fundamentalists to be located in Israel for ‘god’ to return to earth.

Religion is a blight on the planet.

Ironically, Finland uses an election system that was once proposed by Thomas Jefferson, ‘American Founding Father’ - the ‘Dhondt method’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D’Hondt_method. (it was also independently re-invented by D’Hondt in Belgium)

I would think Americans may want to emulate that

Well, Israel was actively destroying culture as well. We’ve all seen the videos of Palestinians being evicted from their homes by Israeli military /police.

In fact Id say thats way worse than words on paper. Systemic actions to destroy

I agree with you, but I dont agree that they wouldn’t destroy Israel given the power.