Edit: good to see I woke the shills
I remember the shitshow. Like in general everywhere and at all times.
Say what you want about Trump but he was one of the presidents ever
Here you dropped this: worst
Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.
I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.
You can add without swapping
Anyone else’s brain autofill an adjective here?
He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator
Freedom for me, chains for you. They don’t actually care about real freedom.
Look on the positive side, if he comes back for a second term there’ll probably be death camps so you’ll be killed and won’t have to remember when he becomes president for life.
Never had a president actually affect my day to day life before. It was wild, No thanks to that ever again
I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.
Can anyone tell me where all the liberals who were worried about migrants went? Or the ones worried about all the oil extraction on national land? Or building the wall because it disrupts butterflies or whatever?
Still here, we just stopped talking to you because you’re an asshole.
It’s almost like we don’t want Biden, but we think Trump would be far worse, so we’re doing what we have to do.
This is what Trump will do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
If you do not think that is objectively worse than Biden, you need to get your eyes checked. Or you’re a Republican.
I’m having a tough time caring about a “democracy” that ignores majority opinions. Trump can’t really end something that doesn’t exist
Don’t worry, there is a slightly less senile and marginally more human out of touch old man with bad ideas here to save us. Lucky us, I know I’m inspired to be led by shitty old man A or shitty old man B.
If there is an invisible hand, it needs to stop this. I’ll stop talking to anyone under the age of 28 ever again because if even one of you doesn’t vote I just cannot forgive.
under the age of 28 ?
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Ok that makes more sense thanks. 28 seemed very arbitrary but if the statistics say so…
They’re assuming (probably correctly) that a lot of people under 28 won’t vote, and that (probably less correctly) they’d vote Democrat if they did vote. So if Trump wins and they pass a random 28 year old on the street, they’re thinking there’s a good chance that person is partially responsible for Trump’s win.
Appreciate the clarification
It makes extra sense because it includes ages 0-17
I am still lost
Votes for people 0-17 count double so they should vote extra hard.
No I don’t have any idea what they’re talking about either.
😂
why are the American people not fighting for a vote reform, to make voting on Sunday, like in every reasonable country?
Voting on Tuesdays is just designed to keep normal working people from voting.
How can you all be fine with that?
What the fuck! Whichever day you vote, is a public holiday in my country. All institutions are obliged to do so.
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Local elections can be decided by a handful of votes. If you don’t think it matters who is in charge of the local government, you should read what happens when Libertarians take over.
So you’re shooting yourself in the foot. You and everyone else who seems to think the ballot begins and ends with voting for who is president.
Every vote matters, but you can’t expect it to matter more than someone elses.
America’s education system at work.
If you’re in a state that goes consistently one way or the other, it’s probably true that it doesn’t matter. For president, at least.
I often vote third party, and I feel very comfortable doing that because my state is very consistent.
I’m very much against voter nihilism regardless of the statistics. Regardless of if I’m getting steam rolled or not, I’m putting pen to paper and I want the record to show that someone didn’t agree with the mob - me, it was me. The US is a two party system and personally I think that sucks. You are definitely “throwing your vote away” by conventional wisdom in such a system, but if everyone thinks this way there is no hope for any traction or interest in advancing third parties - so I agree with this form of voter suicide.
Basically I think my vote matters even if it doesn’t matter, so I vote for people I actually want. Lol. If there was a race where I had a strong preference between the two main party candidates and I thought my vote would have an impact, I’d ditch the third party for that race.
It always does though
If it actually changed anything they would make it illegal
Voter’s paradox
I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.
You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.
We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.
Liberals: we need drastic change
Also liberals: how dare someone step out of line
Huh?
I see this take often and I see the same kinds of responses, but it’s really upsetting to see the main culprit is never mentioned.
Yes, some of us are just hateful, but most of the people voting for Trump are exposed to and consume wayyyyy too much propaganda.
Our media has failed us in sooooo many ways all to chase the Almighty Dollar™. We have literal entertainment networks masquerading as “News” because they’re allowed to act however they wish. We have actual “news” corporations acting like entertainment. We have Fox News and Newsmax straight up fabricating a reality for their consumers that is almost exactly the opposite of reality, and then we have CNN, MSNBC, etc, that would rather follow The Days Of Our Trumps T.V drama as opposed to actually doing hard news.
We have 1/3 of our population living in a fantasy reality, 1/3 being made to be enraged about an orange man’s dumb tweet instead of learning about potentially good candidates to vote for, and 1/3 that’s just apathetic to it all.
We have a gigantic media propaganda problem… We have no real press that the 1st amendment was made to protect, instead we have corporations that are taking advantage of those protections to do whatever they want to make the most money, to hell with what happens to the country…
Edit: all that to say, the people that we see as “OMG how could you possibly vote for him again, are you a monster?” Think “Trump was the best president ever, every news show or podcast or Facebook interaction I have had or watched says as much and proves it.”
I’m surprised Americans don’t wear padded helmets all the time, seeing as how much they ram their heads into walls.
Aww, bless your heart.
Rage bait
Def. But the xenophobia and superiority complex on lemmy is outta pocket, tbh.
Nope. There’s nothing special about Americans just like there’s nothing special about any nation or large group of people. You have to be deeply ignorant of history to think otherwise. We’re all the same species and when things play out in specific ways it’s always for a similar set of reasons and circumstances.
As Dan Carlin would say, “it’s a human thing.” You think this kind of insanity can’t happen in your country because it hasn’t yet. But you’re wrong. It can and has happened, many many times throughout history, in various forms, all over the world.
Again, Americans aren’t special and you have to be deeply stupid and/or ignorant to think otherwise.
Wouldn’t happen in my country. 🇨🇭
cough SVP cough
They are just farm boomers or paradenplatz bankdad boomers. They will disappear with time, I don’t worry to much.
Also : Direct democracy and no président.
You should probably be aware that the cheeto never won a majority vote in America. Our democratic system is broken to the core though, and there is basically no way to fix it which is why he still won.
Along with that a good chunk, possibly majority of Americans is already more decent than you because we don’t use dehumanizing insults like the R word.
Several states have even proposed banning him from the ballot for his coup attempt, including mine. Unfortunately they are being tossed out, probably by judges that he put in power.
I think you would be surprised at how little power Americans actually have to affect change in our government. Short of dragging our knuckles and starting some uprising like his goons did, change can’t happen, and I’m not one to resort to that. I’d sooner head to Canada or Mexico.
Change would happen if 74 million Americans would grow a second brain cell and stop voting republican. If democrats were the only party winning elections, people would be more willing to participate in primaries or vote for a third party
It’s hilarious for all the “democracy” the US loves to “export”, it actually has a pretty terrible democracy. Wildly popular policies have no way to make their way to the government unless a rich person or corporation also lobbies for it.
Once again pointing out that Trump never won the popular vote. Yes, we need to abolish the Electoral College. It favors the right wing unjustly and undermines the will of the people when it does not align with the popular vote.
Lots of people voted for him, yes. I’ll make the argument that things will actually get better as the folks whose cognitive abilities are negatively impacted by a century of burning leaded gasoline start to die off. I believe it’s something like just under >95% of people born between 1945 and 1965 that have enough lead in their bodies to be cause for concern. Can’t remember exactly where I read this, but you can do your own Google-Fu.
Also, try not to live downwind of small airports.
Should… Should we bring democracy to the US by invading them?
Britain did brexit and a bunch of other countries elected right wing nut jobs in response to globalization, not just the us
It was always that bad, it was just better at hiding it in the past. Anyone who grows up poor has always known what’s up. There’s a reason the crooked rural sheriff meme exists… If it wasn’t for massive amounts of racism folks would probably recognize the same patterns in the cities.
It’s not new, it’s just that the dysfunction got so big that it started impacting the lives of white Liberals. Fuck, go read about native history in the US. They knew what was up from the beginning.
If you think voting for literal idiots is an American thing you really haven’t been paying attention.
Boris Johnson, Victor Orban, …
Milorad Dodik (more like No-dick), even
But “My Cartoon President” will come back, I can enjoy it until the apocalypse starts.
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He is polling above Biden in every single national poll somehow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 365, Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Americans have a really short memory.
Guess if Dems didn’t want that they’d give another candidate a genuine shot, but ol’ Genocide Joe needs his legacy. This’ll be it.
Unfortunately, the time for a better candidate was last election cycle. Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
At this point, what advantage? He’s been polling worse than Trump. He’s more of an anchor than an engine now.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
With Dems there’s always an excuse to do nothing and hope really hard for vague change later.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit. Voting dem won’t fix issues, it will just prevent many more from cropping up. What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
I’m sure many people will be comforted by that when he loses.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit.
Read up on the Ratchet Effect.
What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
I too, like vague undefined concepts that obfuscate real potential solutions.
Incumbents historically have a huge advantage, any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump. Most Americans are embarrassingly out of touch with politics
It’s nuts how short people’s memory is. It was just a few years ago that yahoos were invading our nation’s Capitol and Trump was orchestrating a coup. Now Republicans are trying to convince everyone that wasn’t really a coup, and have you considered BLM and scary trans people? Meanwhile the Trump camp has their 900 page plan to efficiently make the federal government into a right wing arm of the Republican Party.
This is not true. Boomer landline polls also had va going red and look how that worked out.
I think there’s a significant portion of the population that is unpollable and it’s really started to make things less certain.
Polls a year out from the election. They have zero predictive value with regard to the ultimate outcome. Any pollster will tell you this. In fact, they have been telling us precisely this, but maybe not all of us are paying attention.
These results are still deeply disturbing.
Y’all Americans are some stupid bastards having president Like biden who can’t form sentences, and calling Trump a bad guy. Like we all know that Russia wouldn’t have Attacked Ukraine, Blackrock wouldn’t have gotten contract for “rebuilding” Ukraine. Having your tax payer money being spent on wars, you autistic removed.
Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.
Trump was and is a total shitshow. Anybody says otherwise is okay with his crapulence. It’s just a matter of who they hate.
