I don’t know the full context of this conversation, but is it normal for homes to have large garages? I live in a 620 sq foot house (way too small, I have only one kid), and no garage. I wouldn’t even want a garage, I have a driveway? Some of my neighbors have garages but they are not that large, they certainly don’t make up 50% of their space, but some of them 1/3rd, if their house is smaller. Most houses in my neighborhood are bigger than my house but not huge.
Depends where you live; large garages can be normal. Obviously not 60% of the space, but garages can seriously help protect vehicles and you from the elements. They’re great if you have severe winters, frequent rain, strong sunshine, and are now helpful for electric car charging.
Our severe weather season includes hail and tornadoes so garages are fairly common.
That’s a good point, we do have hail and tornados where I live. But I guess growing up poor we just accepted damage to vehicles. Not that I’m saying it’s ideal, just that I hadn’t really considered it an avoidable part of life.
Don’t forget it helps deter thieves as well. Smash and grabs, catalytic converter thefts, etc. Also if you have other vehicles like bicycles/motorcycles then you’ll definitely want them inside a garage vs outside where they’re visible and more vulnerable.
My bikes and lawnmower are in a really small shed. I do wish we had a bigger shed though mainly because we have to stack the bikes on top of the lawnmower so it’s a big hassle with my wife and I both being disabled to unpack and repack the shed every time the grass needs cut. So a garage would help with that too. I guess I want a small garage now, you’ve sold me haha. Still can’t afford it though.
why are you adding the garage area to the home area? wouldn’t that deflate the value when comparing the size of the garage to the size of the house?
It is from a discussion about land use for suburban houses vs high-rise.
Many users vote based on emotions here. I often see well written comments with the sources linked and everything, being downvoted, and some low effort reply with an opinion is upvoted, though factually incorrect.
I see that a lot too. This is the art of rhetoric, politics. Not facts. Voting is a human thing. You have to appeal to the human.
But I thought downvotes didn’t matter. 🤷
I thought you guys said they’re both a necessary tool for community regulation and completely irrelevant to normal conversation on Lemmy.
Yet here we are.
I’ve been seeing this a lot lately. Lots of bandwagoning going on. It is what it is though. People are fallible and often just follow the herd instead of thinking.
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I treat them like AntiWork, it’s fun to visit the zoo but living in one means dealing with a lot of random shit.
I can only imagine they meant 60% of the front view of the house. Otherwise that just seems insane.
But the problem is, words mean things. A lot of people unfortunately, put the wrong words down - and they think internally that it makes sense, but there is context missing in the words they put down. I’ve had entire conversations that went on for days, only for me to be 20 threads deep, and the person say “I mentioned that!!”, and I ask for them to show me where…only for them to realize they’ve been angry this whole time over something they assumed I was ignoring or misrepresenting. Turns out, they just simply internalized whatever it was, and didn’t write it.
We are entirely on the same page
Fuck /fuckcars
They actually want to bulldoze so much, just so we can cram more people in closer together. And no, no one wants to be walking around when its 90+ degrees out, or literally freezing.
“We should allow higher density and missing middle housing to be built and promote alternatives to cars” == “We want to bulldoze everything”?
You sound like such a baby.
We’re all babies here. Every. Single. One of us. Bebe.
We sure are but I’m not throwing a hissy fit at the thought of being outside.
They throw out all nuance and have absolutely no empathy or consideration that others need to live differently than them. Or hell, need to live differently than them in order to support their own lifestyle. I swear 90% of them have never lived outside the city they were born in.
I generally agree with you about fuckcars. They’re sanctimonious assholes. But when it comes to housing, suburban sprawl is always bad.
OK so the majority of people has to cut back on so much, especially a safe environment to get places, just so a few people with a car fetish can keep buying bigger and bigger cars. Got it.
We’re very quickly moving to a place where the QUANTITY of people is so high, the QUALITY of their lifestyles have to be sacrificed to cut down on human impact. The impoverished/developing world has very low impact, at huge cost to their quality of life. Who wants to volunteer to live like sub-saharan Africans, or Indians in abject poverty to cut down on human impact? I’m certain they don’t want that life - and why should they? I’m sure they would like to travel on a jet to a beach vacation like those in more affluent countries do.
I’m calling this eco-austerity. Instead of publicizing overpopulation and promoting low birth rates, we’re expected to belt tighten and give up on quality of life. It’s bullshit. We should have <1B people living like kings, not 10B people living like peasants.
And no, no one wants to be walking around when its 90+ degrees out
That’s why they want shade, goober.
Even with shade, it’s hot.
Yeah, they’re pretty much ACAB now but cars instead of cops.
EDIT: Before anyone even says it. Bad cops suck. Cars do not suck. Big lifted trucks are ass. I wish I could make a 4 wheeler street legal.
Cars absolutely do suck.
I make a living out of my car, so in my case, I’ll just have to disagree.
If a good amount of drivers walked or took public transit/bikes instead, wouldn’t that make your job easier?
Of course, sure. Problem is, I’m in the Detroit Metro area so good luck prying the F150s out of people’s hands around here. Second off, with the plans fuck cars has there’d be areas where I’d have to park and walk to deliver stuff. I already have one outdoor mall I deliver to and it fucking blows having to park and walk all that way because 99% of the time I’m marked as late because it takes so long to deliver shit there. I’m not a slow walker either.
So yes, less traffic would be nice. Will that ever happen in this particular city? Hell no.
Ive never seen any calls to bulldoze anything. We do a lot of complaining about how much was bulldozed to fill landscapes with stroads and parking lots. And dont act like we’re not calling for buses and trains as well. Have you stopped and thought about why it’s too hot to walk around now?
Now? Its been too hot since the dinosaurs walked the planet.
Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you mean even if it was pre-global warming cooler it’d be too hot to walk. It’s still extended those periods where it’s too hot and cold to walk. Plus, again, we also call for buses and trains and trams for your air conditioned travel needs.
Benefit of the doubt? What other intepretation is there?
like denying that the earth has been warming
Oh. Yeah, on second read, I can definitely see how you might get that, I shouldve worded it differently.
This seems very unhealthy. Maybe go take a stroll around the block?
Edit: I’m referring to OP or whoever it was that made this image
That’s exactly what came to my mind
I, for one, welcome quality posts
I love how lemmy is divided but coexisting.
I actually hate that about Lemmy
I’m pretty indifferent about it but just lonely.
Unhealthy to prove your point by doing the math and helping convince people with an illustration? That’s just good practice on critical thinking. Maybe you need to go take a stroll around the block.
How exactly is doing the math unhealthy? This is like 60 seconds of math and a few minutes of graphics at most.
I’d rather have someone doing the math and posting it than people becoming misinformed on an important political topic. I think that’s what OP was after.
When you accidentally consider your hyperbole to be factual.
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I’m the blocked out poster in this.
You keep assuming that the living space is ~1500sq/ft for some reason; the houses I am talking about that are like this are not even half that size, but have 2 or even 3 car garages attached to them. Most of these are living quarters for field workers on the dairies and not even built to code.
Imagine a single 10x10 bedroom that has a kitchenette in it, and a room big enough to fit a shower, toilet and sink, attached to a 2 or sometimes even 3 car garage bay. That’s what I see around here.
This has the issue of always assuming a household will always live in the most space efficient way possible (2 adults in 1 bedroom with no children or others).
Assume you need 2 bedrooms (2 adults and 1 child): A 800-1,000 sq ft home in the USA is somewhere close to the 10th percentile in terms of size, so going down to ≤750 sq ft puts you near the absolute smallest 2 bedroom houses available.
The first house I lived in after college was 950 sqft. Three bedrooms. No garage. It was also built in the 50’s. It worked for three (and then later four) people splitting rent.
Today developers wouldn’t dare put such a house on the type of lot it was on because it couldn’t be profitable.
I mean, I’m not going to ask you to doxx yourself, but I’m extremely curious to know where you’re seeing these homes that are, as you describe them, like 150 SqFt of livable area (10x10 studio + 5x8 bathroom) with an attached 3 car garage.
Edit: And to clarify, the 1500 was pulled out of an anecdotal average. My observations while shopping for homes here in the US have been; 2 bed / 1 bath, could be as small as 800 SqFt, but it’s cramped. Whereas in middle-class suburbia, it’s not uncommon to see 2500+ SqFt homes.
I’m in a somewhat rural part of the central valley in California. Lotta dairy farms out here, and they have their own living spaces for the workers that are just absolute shitholes.
I think you’re an unreasonable exception
Plenty of homes in rural NE that (while not as small as this) are still well within the 60% mark for garage ratio. They tend to double as workshops or large enough space for farm vehicle maintenance.
Considering the amount of rural settlements and farmlands / ranches around the US, I’d say it’s not necessarily unreasonable. Can even find them in suburbia, albeit more rarely (have in-laws with the living space lofted over a full garage, which would put it at ~50% minimum before accounting for interior walls.)
I’ve seen workers quarters like this in farms, oil fields, rural power plants etc. They’re usually supposed to be for temporary or seasonal workers. Just a simple sleeping area + room for vehicles to drive to the jobsite.
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Blame the system. Rating system was a good idea to encourage community self-moderation. But,most people treat upvotes/downvotes as likes/dislikes, even when specifically asked to use them differently. And, because of that, places with rating systems inevitably boil down to circlejerking, infobubbles, and tribalism. Too bad the only alternatives are spamholes, chaotic messes with power-tripping moderators, and AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.
People are people. People like to feel good about themselves. Vanity is still the Devil’s favourite sin.
AI blackboxes designed to control your mind.
They aren’t designed to control your mind but to make money. The mind thing is a side effect.
They wanna make paperclips. The money is a side effect.
There’s so much room for activities.
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Even there the house is a bit too large for me. That carage is nice though
Yeah the climates fucked with all this car worship
Tbf I once looked seriously at a house with a giant garage because I wanted to turn it into a huge hobby and rpg space.
Wow, what an awe-inspiring counter-example, lol
Holy mother of a workshop
Am I not supposed to like that? Cause I really like that house design. Garage for days.
That looks amazing. I’d actually have space to work on a project car, plus store my daily, as well as extra storage, probably a server rack and a whole bunch of other stuff. One of the things I notice most about living in an apartment vs my childhood home is how much storage space we had in our garage.
