CHaNGE my miNd
No
I am literally going to use this
Nice!! Share your results with us if you want to. B)
He’s winning that one clearly
I used to enjoy Steven Crowder but then after he attacked the Daily Wire who had been his friends and help him grow, Then offered him a deal to keep him going, I wrote him off.
He argued about the financial side of it, well hey this is a capitalist system. To be able to continue fighting and doing what we’re doing you have to make money. Obviously the Daily Wire would need to make money that’s almost ridiculous to even mention. He talks big but doesn’t really practice.
Make chowder of Crowder.
Then throw it in the bin.
Sure, I’ll play this game.
The premise of the convincing is loaded. No one deserves shit. Steven Crowder made the format famous and therefore he is attributed to it.
Whether or not the person is a piece of shit is irrelevant and ad hominem. If Hitler said 1 + 1 = 2, Hitler is right. You don’t get to deny that just because you hate the person. Shitty people can make correct statements and they can achieve things. Doesn’t matter which name we apply to it. We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.
Not sure what any of this has to do with the fact that some people would prefer not to see this shithead’s face. He’s probably wrong about most things but that’s not really what this meme is about. This meme is about whether we want to see his face constantly or not. Many would prefer not to see it.
What this meme is not about? Saying Hitler is wrong because he’s Hitler…
This meme is about whether we want to see his face constantly or not. Many would prefer not to see it.
That’s not the premise I drew from what this post is about. It’s not a question of what we prefer to see. It’s a question of if he deserves the meme format. But I guess we can simply disagree on that point.
Even if it’s a question of preference, I would still argue the same. We can’t just live our lives purely through our preferences. We have to face reality of how things are. And Crowder is the face of the meme, whether we like it or not. He is the one attributed to this meme, and will continue to be regardless of preference.
We must be able to argue on the merits of the statement or format without sorting to personal feelings on the person, lest you become the one who is intolerant.
Why not have personal feelings about someone that sucks? We’re not in a court of law deciding on whether someone should go to prison FFS. We’re on a silly website deciding whether a dumb meme is entertaining or not. If a meme is associated with a shit person which results in bad feelings, those feelings negatively impact the entertainment value of the meme.
Hitler made paintings. Not wanting to hang a painting made by Hitler it your house doesn’t mean someone thinks all paintings suck. It just means they think Hitler sucks and would prefer not to be reminded of the shit Hitler did every time they walk into the living room. You’re saying that people should somehow forget that Hitler made those paintings and enjoy them for the paintings themselves and forget about the person that made them. But that’s just not how brains work, dude. People do think of the person who made the art when forming opinions about something that’s so very subjective.
Main problem is: Steven Crowder did not make the meme. People made a meme out of him. There was no “format” - he wanted to be edgy and debate. Then, he became a meme. Nothing to take from, nor attribute to him.
However, I much prefer Calvin and never want to see anything related to Steven Crowder. And what was that about Hitler? …that…just…wow …
Thank fuck there’s someone on this website that still has brains.
The way most people around here operate Good = smart and bad = dumb.
What correct statement are you even talking about how is that hypothetical relevant at all? Is a format a fact now?
The correct statement is that he popularized this format of “change my mind.” Therefore, the attribution goes to him.
Oh no someone I don’t like is in a meme format.
We must cleanse reality itself from people we don’t like. If someone has so much uttered one problematic world in the course of their lives, they’re a Nazi chud, they must be killed, and their memory damned.
Anything less and you may as well be genociding minorities.
Mmmm that’s the violent extremism in the name of tolerance I love. 💕 slay queen slay
People are extremists in the name of torrents? 🤔 I didn’t know pirating was that damn serious
Yeah I wouldn’t mind beheading a congressperson that passes networking laws which hinder piracy
I mean, I would do the same in regards to a lot of laws. We really gotta pull a France, people.
Have you ever searched for days, weeks even for hyper-niche content, only to find the only available torrent has 3 seeders and 17 leechers? No level of violence could reach extremism.
Damn it haha, fixed
Why is it always a strawman with you people. Crowder is on video verbally abusing and degrading his wife, among the constant garbage hate, propaganda and misinformation he spews. He is a piece of shit and I could do without seeing his face. Even if you agree with his politics, he’s a sniveling smug asshole and has been a provocateur for years. I’ll take calvin any day
Do you not know what strawman means? There’s plenty of people in memes I don’t like, e.g. Zuckerberg, Alex Jones, etc. But I don’t demand they no longer be a meme because I don’t agree with them. Your life must be so taxing if you care so much about a silly meme format.
It is a strawman because you are clearly underselling the problem with Crowder and misrepresenting the point. It’s not just “I don’t like him”. It seems you care a lot more about this meme format than you let on.
That’s not a strawman. He’s on topic.
Underselling is not an attribute of strawman. And I’m not sure what he misrepresented.
If anything, your argument is an ad hominem. Why is verbally abusing and degrading his wife, an insult towards his character, relevant to what he said? He is a piece of shit. So? If you’re saying we should use Calvin because Crowder is piece of shit, you’re just proving @BeefDaddySupreme@lemmy.world 's point.
P.S. I’m sure I’m gonna get mega downvoted. Arguing with logic is apparently not a thing on the internet.
He is purposefully misrepresenting the argument being made and dismissing it. He is trivializing the actual point which is that Crowder is problematic beyond “I don’t like him”. He is dismissing a facile version of the actual problem, which is indeed a strawman. The subject is Crowder’s bad behavior (to put it mildly), which is manifested in his actions toward others as well as his other unsavory views.
“Piece of shit” is surely ad hominem – if I was addressing Crowder’s arguments and responding to him. But I am not. So, no, in this context, it is really not ad hominem.
My one and only point is that Crowder is a PoS (or shall we say “problematic” if that is more your speed) for many reasons, and I like the Calvin version better.
Dismissing claims based on a counter logic is how a proper arguments are formed. Once again, that is not a strawman. Strawman is a fallacy where they attack a different claim. He is not attacking a different claim in any way. Underselling and dismissing is not a strawman.
Misrepresenting it is, but if anything, you keep proving him right. You’re putting your feelings of Crowder, as a person, as the reasoning. In other words, someone you don’t like is a meme format. There is no misrepresentation here.
My only point here is that you have your fallacies wrong.
I appreciate the pedantry on this. Where is the logic? I’ll grant the meme didn’t make a specific claim, but I definitely did. If my claim is that Crowder has serious ethical violations and another dismisses my argument saying “You just don’t like him,” have they addressed my point? IMO they have taken an easier path by conflating my “feelings” with the more serious, actual point.
Take the example from Wiki:
Alice: Taking a shower is beneficial.
Bob: But hot water may damage your skin.
Bob attacked a non-existing argument: “Taking a hot shower is beneficial.”Note that the claim addressed is indeed related but is nonetheless a strawman.
While it is true I don’t personally like Crowder, that is not my point. I am saying that Crowder has said and done things that broach beyond a simple distaste. Perhaps that is debatable or one can disagree, but that isn’t what the other commenter is doing. They have painted my argument as purely emotional and trivial while not addressing the actual point.
Anyway, if that doesn’t convince you then I don’t think we’ll agree on this, which is fair enough.
Cheers
I agree that Crowder shouldn’t be a meme.
I also think that his meme “Change my mind” shouldn’t live on through Calvin. We can get the point across without keeping any of the Crowder-created bits.
What is the actual source of the image? I assumed all the text was unrelated. Did he really do a “change my mind” table?
yes the original text was “there are only 2 genders change my mind” if I’m remembering correctly
Shithead.
what do he do be doin
He’s a conservative commentator who regularly says homophobic and racist stuff.
Change his mind.
This. ^^^
Yeahhh right that doesn’t sound like he’s a good guy lmao
I listened to a snippet of his trash and the only funny part was that he always refers to US President Joe Biden as “Former Vice President Joe Biden”.
The rest was complete shit.
He’s also on video doing this
Please share the template
I’d love to use it
I mean the image is staunch black and white it would be so easy to just white out the text…
Not the exaxt same tho
Here you go, enjoy:
Thank you
No problem, I passed out and just got the message.
No worries, so did I
What font did you use?
Oh is that his name, steven crowder, are we trying to cancel steven crowder? whats did steven crowder do? steven crowder?
Satanism is this meme but as a religion.
Like in the way Satanism parodies christianity and does it better in every way?
Pretty much. Their whole identity is basically “not Christianity”. They don’t even worship Satan!
Hail Satan!
My Satanism aligns with The Satanic Temple which has positive values that are summed up in the 7 Tenets. It’s true that it’s “not Christianity”, but that is true for every religion (except for Christianity).
They don’t even worship Satan!
Why would we? Satan doesn’t exist, but even if he did, worshiping him would just be reactionary anti-Christianity, replacing one god with another.
“Steven Crowder Does Not Deserve a Meme Format” deserves a meme format!
Milhouse, you’re still not a meme no matter how recursive it gets.
Milhouse used to be the example given of a forced meme. Crazy that people are still trying.
Crowder’s a piece of shit who doesn’t even practice what he preaches.
He does practice being an asshole.
And here I thought he’d already perfected it.
Doctors practice medicine and they are experts!
What is the blue checkmark about?
That’s just their profile picture on here
I don’t know who the is; should I?
it’s either Calvin or hobbes.
