Huh, I only spend 25%. But then again, I rent from municipality owned housing in Sweden.
The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry.
CCP began to implement the collective ownership of expropriated land through the creation of Agricultural Production Cooperatives, transferring property rights of the seized land to the Chinese state.
and then it seems that the government came in to scoop it back up, although that may have been better than what was going on in 1950s China.
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My my what a surprise ill informed chinese propaganda from a tankie. I’m sure the millions that starved made it really easy to redistribute their land too eh?
also they killed some birds or something
he stays winningGlad to see this was already posted
Older millenial here.
Max I ever spent on renting was 25% of my net income, but usually it was more like 20%. Now I actually spend only 10% of my net income on my mortgage, thanks to inflation helping my income while keeping the mortgage static.
(Sure there are also taxes on top of the mortgage, but I’m also building equity. Taxes + interest is even less than 10%)
Younger generations are definitely getting screwed.
Don’t accept the status quo.
Just curious about your perspective. What would you think are some good ideas on changing the status quo?
I think that outlawing real estate as investments would mean that high to medium density living spaces like apartment complexes or high rises in cities don’t get built, and allowing the government to dole out who gets what properties is another recipe for disaster.
Please don’t take this as confrontational, I’m genuinely trying to consider what alternatives some people are thinking about.
Stop vilifying the poor, high subsidies and incentives for living in high-density housing including de-incentivizing predatory landlords, increase taxes on the rich, and a sliding scale of taxes on multiple properties with the lowest rates affecting the lowest value properties.
Tax the shit out of residential real estate investments for corporations and anything beyond the first 3 dwellings owned by individuals. Carve out exceptions for apartment complexes.
Stop corporations from owning anything other than appartments buildings full stop.
Tax the shit out of anything other than the primary residence.
I think Henry George had the right idea.
Fact is, as people get more money, they want bigger homes, second homes, rental properties, etc…
It’s going to be a never ending bidding war between citizens to own the most and nicest properties.
So the solution is to tax real estate at high rates, but give that money back in the form of deductibles on income tax to the middle class who live in their middle class owner occupied homes.
Another part is to let government build a huge supply of very basic, affordable housing, which then serves as a price anchor.
Basically, not outlawing homes as investment, but making them unappealing as investments.
Most developed countries had or have systems like this in place. They just need strengthening.
No
I was paying 400 for one bedroom in 2000. Now my apartment is 1800 which is about 60% of my income. The future is bullshit
Same hat kinda, around year 2000 I was paying $600 for a nice 2BR apartment.
I’m now paying $1600 for a 1BR in a shitty neighborhood. I make better money now but still.
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Yee we’re all getting fucked but what can we do rent ain’t getting cheaper. Best case is holdout for the next housing market crash or better interest rates.
I’ll buy a home in the next couple years regardless, it just sucks it took this long. I was making good money from age 28-35, then laid off and making less but I worked my way up again at 37 but that speedbump derailed any long term plans I had.
Mid 30s millennial here, no. I remember I could afford a 1 bedroom on my own making minimum wage in my home town, but it was something like 50% of my take-home at the time.
Nope! All of my rent (save for when I didn’t pay for it) had always been higher than 1/3.
And I’m pretty sure that was a regulation out by governments to prevent landlords from overwhelming.
Gotta love that low wage loophole!
I make ~$1,500-$1,600 every two weeks (varies based on OT). My rent for a small one bedroom is $1,200 (utilities included). Other apartments in my town are easily $1,700+ for a barebones similar place, no utilities included.
As much as I pay for how small my place is, I still have it good compared to others in town. Other apartments I’ve seen have a miniscule kitchen, the only thing keeping them from being kitchenettes are the full sized appliances. I have a decently sized one for the size of my apartment.
I hate it here.
My mortgage is literally one half of one week’s net income.
You want a pat on the back?
Best I can do is 50%
STOP…RENTING…
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. It’s easy to get out of this cycle. Most states will have First Time Homebuyers programs, and even if you’ve had a home before, not having a home for 3+ years can cause you to re-qualify again.
Live in a shithole for a while if you have to. OWNING a home is like paying yourself. It’s so much cheaper than renting, yes you have to fix things when they break, but you should want to learn those skills anyhow. Toilets, water pumps, hot water heaters, all that shit is pretty easy to fix yourself. Every penny you put into a house is like a savings account that doesn’t actually count against you. You get done with that loan, and the worth of that house is yours. You’re not paying $2k/month to someone else, with nothing to show for it. You’re literally paying $2k a month to YOURSELF. Want to move? Sell the house. Anything you’ve put into it, you’ll get back and then some.
Just whatever you do, get a FIXED rate mortgage. Or go for owner-financed. There’s lots of options and renters just make excuse after excuse after excuse why they won’t buy a house.
Where I live, a mortgage payment is twice what rent is. My family won’t move, and I’m not spending 75% of my paycheck on a mortgage. Family won’t move to LCOL. Also mortgage payments have gone up like 35% since the rate hikes, and housing costs are at all time highs.
Stop being poor isn’t an option.
A) poverty
B) you need to qualify for a mortgage, even with first time homebuyer programs
C) you severely underestimate what the mortgage is
D) people aren’t always expecting to live in the same area for more than 5-7 years, at which point you’ve spent tons of money on closing and PMI that you absolutely aren’t coming out ahead on
A) I’ve been in poverty my whole life.
B) By-owner financing is a thing, I mentioned it already. If you qualify for renting, you qualify for the first time homebuyers programs. You’re making excuses and you clearly don’t know how these programs work.
C) Again, nope.
D) Covered that already. Closing costs are miniscule compared to the amount of equity you build, and first time home buyers programs cover closing costs, enough with the copium.I bought my house without a front door, no working a/c, water pipes cut off inside the walls, no toilet. Learn how to do shit for yourself. I learned all the shit to fix my house from YouTube videos.
Where I live houses are like $450k minimum for something that doesn’t need major work. Even with a n FHA loan, the mortgage would be untenable. I’ve given up owning a home here.
A small shoebox here is upward of 550k. And at that price, you need to put another 100k if you do things yourself because the house is a shitstain.
This I such a privileged take that I don’t even know where to begin.
Really? Because I make less than $20k a year with 3 kids…tell me how privileged I am. I am FAR below what the poverty line is.
Would you be willing to share how you make that work? I can’t imagine living on my own for that much, let alone raising 3 kids. What does a weekly meal plan look like? Do you drive? What are rent and property values like in your area?
Edit: Just ran some numbers, and I can see how that could be possible, but it’s dangerously lean. We shouldn’t need to live like that. I commend you for making it work, but would like to say that you’re definitely worth more than $20k/yr (especially with all those home improvement skills, but regardless)
I continue to be at a loss for words. I’m glad to hear you and your family have realible housing.
Just because things worked out for you doesn’t mean they work out for others. You’re not taking crazy pills, you’re lacking empathy and seem very out of touch with reality.
My dude it takes me hours to hype myself up to make a phone call, the things you’re talking about simply aren’t possible for a lot of us.
Yo, I’ve been there. Have you considered therapy?
Therapy costs money lmao
Every penny you put into a house is like a savings account that doesn’t actually count against you. You get done with that loan, and the worth of that house is yours.
How should I reconcile this with the statement “you should see housing as necessities rather than investments”?
You shouldn’t. Because I didn’t state that ever.
Houses are investments in YOUR future.
Just buy a house 4Head
Oh yeah, sure, I’ll buy a shitty house an hour away from where I work, in a small village with not even a grocery store! Good idea! And then I’ll be stuck there for the rest of my life because you can’t sell houses in these places, because they are shitty!
Buying a house or apartment is a several decades investment. If you’re settled in your life, sure, do that, but not everyone is in this case, and not everyone in this case can afford it.
BTW, so you know banks will not give you money these days? Half the requests are refused by banks in France these days because they’re waiting for the yields to increase again.
renters just make excuse after excuse after excuse why they won’t buy a house.
“wahhh I’m living paycheck to paycheck and may not be able to pay rent this month, let alone set aside a down-payment and closing costs for a house when houses are at an all time high price”
Poor people, amirite? Don’t they know that the solution to all their problems is to just get more money?
You severely underestimate the number of people who lack ambition, life skills, discipline, and financial responsibility. It may seem easy to you but to people without these things, it’s like climbing a mountain.
Who has time to develop all that when you’re burned out, pushed to your limit at your job that barely covers your primary expenses?
I know, not the whole picture, but neither is what you’re saying. The first thing you list is ambition? I hope that’s not in order of importance because I don’t think most people lack ambition, I think they get stretched too thin and feel its hopeless no matter what.
Financial responsibility, life skills, these are important issues and more should be done to improve quality of them for the population. But discipline and ambition require a world where those get rewarded, and for some lucky people they do, but for many that’s just not the case.
Living paycheck to paycheck is a valid reason how one can’t even save up to consider even buying a house. Soon with the rising prices it will even be living on borrowed time.
No, I sure as fuck do not. I bet it would’ve been nice though.
I remember only spending half my income on rent. And I’m old. But also from a high cost of living area.
All my life I have spent most of my income on housing and I am older than 35.
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I’ve either paid a tenth (or less) or half. But I’ve been very lucky.
I just read a really good article about why Tokyo, one of the biggest cities in the world, is also one of the most affordable for housing and pretty much everything else. Spoiler, they don’t allow boomer nimbyism and they absolutely do allow a shitload of apartment building pretty much everywhere.
And the average apartment size is 216 square feet.
I recently looked up LA and SF and then other American cities in general for the first time on Google Earth. How much you could be allergic to apartments to let that happen? It’s just really incredibly weird all these houses spaced out like nothing. I’d be really utterly surprised if US cities didn’t have a rent problem with such a city design.
California is weird with its zoning laws, and those cities didn’t start out large, nor have they existed as large cities for very long. My guess is that as time passes, those cities will start to look more like NYC, Boston, etc., which have more apartments/condos.
Most American cites spread out because they can. Building up is far more expensive at least in cost than building out…
