cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/6400327
In case anyone is wondering, it’s rqd2.
The definition of paraphilia is “a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.”, which can inclde pedophilia.
It has recieved 4 censures from fediseer due to the content contained on that instance
Not a good look for Lemmy to be promoting any instance like that.
Update: A pull request was sent to remove the sus instance. It should no longer show up soon
deleted by creator
Looking at the instance, it’s horrifying, like 90% about fucking kids. They’re not even trying to hide it, so regardless of other legal paraphilia, it IS a pedo community… so you’ll be put on the watch lists too by joining.
deleted by creator
How long has it been there? Months?
The lemmy.ml devs were ok with Nazi instances being on join-lemmy “because people can just choose to join a different instance if they want” (or words to that effect) so it’ll be interesting to see how far they take that line of reasoning.
It looks like the instance has only existed for about a month, so it’s not too surprising it hasn’t been noticed before now.
They already removed pedo instances before, so they’ll probably remove this one. They seem to draw a much harder line on pedophilia than politics.
CSAM will bring negative law enforcement attention, whereas nazi content will get you a big thumbs-up from the cops.
edit: Downvoted by cops
That really surprises me considering their the lemmy devs’ leftist political beliefs
They’re as leftist as the “communist” China. Or as “socialist” as the Nazis were. Just because someone calls themselves “communist” or “socialist”, doesn’t mean it’s true. And if you support China, Nazis, Soviet Union or its successor Russia, you’re not a communist or socialist.
They’re authoritarian leftists, who support Putin. They have more in common with fascists than most people do.
That’s the thing with being pro free speech - it means not censoring speech you hate.
Things quickly get complicated when the speech is (potentially) harmful.
I didn’t take them to be free speech absolutists, though.
This isn’t a censorship issue. This is a choice about whether to publicise and promote pedophiles or not. No website has a right to be included in join-lemmy listings.
It’s a disgusting, terrible instance. Back when I added them to our blocklist and fediseer they even had pedobear on display as if they were proud. They have a MAP community and Pedo memes.
The link posted by OP has our findings in it with a few of their posts on an archive site for those who don’t want to go to the instance directly: (https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/rqd2.net)
Locking post as comments have gotten extremely off topic and hostile.
Being realistic here… They don’t seem to have anything actually illegal though, it’s not like the instance is breaking the law or anything, seems like a far fetched overreaction.
The public doesn’t think that way. Once media covers fediverse as some underground CSAM tradi g center, it’s dead.
people need to be on top of this shit to ban it with extreme prejudice
OH 4CHAN
Lemmy really really needs instance blocking. Yes I know some clients have it but Lemmy itself needs a way to enable users to fully block another instance and all of its communities.
Luckily we have fediseer, which we use to automatically block instances with, for example, the csam tag.
It’s on the roadmap for 0.19, so coming hopefully in a few weeks
That instance list is built completely automatically by a crawler, no one approves instances before they are listed. In this case it was removed as soon as we became aware of it. Next time please make a pull request like that one, its much more effective than complaining.
What the fuck… I’m just honestly taken aback by how in your face and blatant they are. Doing everything there but posting abuse content itself. Guess it’s a good thing they’re willingly putting themselves on the watch lists.
Sorry but what’s a MAP?
Pedophile (stands for Minor Attracted Person)
Thanks. I hate politically correct language like this
It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children.
So, it’s got that going for it. Treating them both the same.
Unfortunately, it’s also used to obfuscate the fact that a MAP is a pedophile/hebephile. Which is bad.
There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos. Unfortunately, pedos use the term MAP to hide the fact they’re pedos, so… 🤷
Username checks out
Removed by mod
Tell us you’re not actually paying attention without telling us you’re not actually paying attention
There are people who have messed up brains, who are attracted to kids, and hate themselves for it. They seek help (usually through lots of chemical treatments), and use the term MAP to separate themselves from the pedos.
This is a lie meant to make pedophiles come off as sympathetic. They’re ALL terrible and there is no distinction between one pedo and another. If there’s anything that horrific instance should have shown anyone, it’s that. Any pedo who claims they hate themselves for it and are getting therapy are lying to you.
Maybe actually read what’s being said before blowing a gasket.
Removed by mod
No. You are a horrible, horrific creature.
It’s inclusive of both pedophiles and hebephiles - that is, prepubescent vs. pubescent children
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/nu6C2KL_S9o
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
It’s not real, it was a joke made by 4chan that stuck. Nobody is actually using that term unless they’re a pedophile
The term is real, it’s even used in scientific literature. The term possibly even predates 4chan, or maybe it’s just a success on 4chan’s part, successfully laundering a term into scientific discourse? It’s hard to find too much solid evidence on the origin of the term. 4chan did seriously signal boost it with the whole “MAP Pride” thing though.
Sure, but CSAM is a real term and the same thing applies.
?
Are you just anti-acronym in general?
Anti-unnecessary terms. Changing “child porn” (or CP) to “CSAM” is a ridiculous, confusing, and unnecessary thing. And it takes effort away from meaningful action.
deleted by creator
Making of a big deal about it is what takes away effort from meaningful action. Nobody is taking time out of their day over this issue but you. This is silly.
There are actual retards out in the wild that use the term to describe pedophiles unironically. No one likes them. Bully them.
Its not real language.
Its some bullshit cooked up by internet trolls, and accepted and used by right wing propagandists, as the latest thing to use to try and paint gay people as pedophiles.
When, historically, we know the actual pedophiles are the ones falsely claiming gays are the danger to children.
To be fair, it is not politically correct language, actually it’s language that’s commonly frowned upon in all circles. But basically as long as the LGBT rights movements have existed with any level of mainstream visibility in America, there have been organizations like NAMBLA and the like that have been trying to piggyback off of them…
And it pretty much ends the same way, with the pedophiles being shown the door.
Incidentally this is what the early South Park episode about the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes getting mad at NAMBLA (the irl NAtional Man Boy Love Association) for stealing their acronym is poking fun at.
It is like your screen name but without the “r”
rqd2.net rule 3:
Nothing illegal under US (specifically Nevada) or local law. You know what that includes. (In case you don’t know what that includes, I mean child pornography [anything that fails the Dost Test], sexually interacting with minors, etc.) We have a zero tolerance policy for anything that fails the Dost test. Anything violating it will result in an immediate ban and removal of images. No admitting to anything that could cause the server to go under investigation, such as looking at child porn.
Unfortunately I have been shown that there is promotion of pedophilia on that site. Although there may not be actually illegal content.
deleted by creator
Just because they aren’t directly hosting illegal content, doesn’t make it danger free. They freely encourage ‘pro contact’ as if it isn’t a very strong possibility that, when someone is in contact with a person they’re attracted to, they may well … take the next step.
Well yeah, that’s what pro contact means. Pro sexual contact. They don’t think there’s any inherent problem with sexual relationships between adults and kids.
“Pro contact” is just a polite way to say it, obfuscating what they’re really talking about.
To them it seems that pro contact means contact with the person you’re attracted to, even if it’s not (edit: explicitly) sexual yet. Kinda like how you might talk with someone you’re crushing on but not yet banging.
There already is a perfectly acceptable word for this though. It’s called ‘grooming’. It is called so because it is a precursor to what will inevitably become what they themselves call ‘abuse’.
You know how when you’ve been talking to someone you really want for months and the sexual tension has been ratcheting up higher every minute, then something just makes that explode and suddenly you’re just not thinking, just doing? How the everloving fuck do they expect pro contact to end anything other than in an immeasurably fucked up and scarring version of what I just described?
I think you may be using a different definition of terms. Pro-contact MAPs think that having sex with minors is fine, and that it isn’t abuse. Here’s a link to the MAP wiki on the subject: https://map-wiki.com/index.php/Pro-contact
If you go to the instance being discussed, you’ll see people openly saying that sex with kids is okay and that they don’t think there’s a problem with it.
Oh…oh…excuse me, I’m feeling sick 🤢 like, I knew these guys were crossing serious lines but to think it is 100% fully intentional with no ignorance to the dangers involved…fucking 🤮
Yes I see that now.
No admitting to anything that could cause the server to go under investigation, such as looking at child porn.
This says all you need to know
Yes, that part was a bit confusing to me at first, since they already described zero tolerance against anything not adhering to official guidelines Dost Test, which is new to me.
But it makes perfect sense now, they only follow those rules strictly because they must. They would probably love if they could break them if they thought they could get away with it.
When I was shown a link to what they call “MAP”, it very quickly became crystal clear what it was about.
I initially thought this was an LGBT witch hunt. But unfortunately I have been shown that there actually is promotion of pedophilia there.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !map@rqd2.net
You really made about 20 comments before doing even a basic amount of due dilligence, huh?
He even reported people lol
We were about to ban him for being a pedo apologist because of it. Luckily we did look a little deeper and saw that he had a realisation ;)
I apologize, I thought I did, I read the rules, and I read on the frontpage, and it seemed pretty harmless.
And there were no posts here that showed anything actually wrong, but mostly what seemed like knee jerk reactions to the accusation.
Had I dug one step deeper, I would have found it. But my diligence wasn’t diligent enough, and I wrongfully concluded it was an anti LGBT issue.
Turns out I was mistaken, and yes I was a bit slow to figure that out.
At least you can admit you were wrong and change your mind. Those abilities are all too rare.
Thank you. 😀
Respect 👍
More people need to learn how to gracefully accept mistake like you did, even myself.
Thank you. 😀 This mistake was a really bad one. I do NOT support pedophilia, but it may have looked like it. So better to admit fault.
But I also believe truth is more important than ego.
What the fuck is a para or transkid?
To be completely honest, I’d rather use reddit and have to deal with the shitty client than having to constantly worry about pedos like here on lemmy
Oh buddy I have some bad news for you about Reddit and pedos
There are pedos all over Reddit. Even on the admin team. So…
I’ve yet to see anything but posts about this issue, so I’m confused by comments like this. I’m a daily user some days heavily and have been for a couple months.
