Some of the many articles about it:

The notion that wolves fight amongst each other and the strongest becomes the “alpha” and the weakest is the “omega” and all that, is a misconception that has been debunked ages ago, and even the author of the study who called them “alphas” in the first place is pleading with his old publisher to stop printing the dang book already so this misconception can finally die out.

Wolf packs are more or less just families. One “breeding pair” and their pups, which often stay with their parents way into adulthood.

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    Wolves are also scavengers and would gladly eat rotten corpses, trash and literal shit (just like dogs).

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    Just like the vaccines cause autism study, this won’t ever die out. People only ever remember the original.

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      Yeah, I tried explaining this to a “dog person” and they wanted no part of it. It was like telling a child Santa Claus wasn’t real or something

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      People only ever remember the original.

      And only partially so. Conveniently, they forget the part where, IIRC, guy was just trying to promote his own vaccine

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          His name was on the patent. There was a second name on it as well, and that guy was someone whom the first cited. This second guy lost his license two years before publishing his paper, that the infamous one cited.

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            You’re the most wrong lol.

            He put out the study stating a link between the MMR vaccine and bowel disorders. Further stated that autism was caused by bowel disorders.

            He advocated people to take the seperate vaccines not not the single MMR vaccine. At the time of the study he was developing his own vaccine and had a stake in another, meaning his study had a strong monetary motive.

            He would become and anti-vax hero even though he wanted people to take more vaccines, not none.

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    A lot of guys have started calling themselves sigma males, but i just approach them and tell them I’m a Smegma male which is over a sigma male. 😤 these are facts that cannot be disputed.

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    Considering the original study only documented Wolves in captivity I explain it like this: Alpha, Beta, Sigma, whatever, is just the type of prison bitch you’d be, so congrats.

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      Exactly this. Put any one species into a tiny depressing enclosure with way too many strangers and way too little food, and they will fight and establish a pecking order eventually. This has nothing to do with how the same species would behave in the wild and with enough resources to live comfortably, and the author realized that mistake years ago and is since trying to correct it.

      But I guess the entire “alpha male” thing is just too popular with certain people … ahem.

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        Also a great argument for the fact that caging humans doesn’t change anything in a positive direction. Especially when you enslave them too like in countries with barbaric penal systems such as the US.

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        Funny that pecking order is something you see in chickens. So these human alpha males are copying hen behavior.

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        I chuckle inside and exit the room at the first chance when someone non-jokingly refers to themselves as an alpha male. And that’s not because I’m afraid of them–the fact is that I’m the alpha male.

        /s

        Humans in packed cities could be described in a similar way though, if there’s not a social reinforcement in place, by the community elders who are respected and followed, to keep them from it. I live in a medium sized city now because of work, but even still I can relate to the rats [I’m aware of the studies flaws].

        Put any one species into a [packed] depressing [space] with way too many strangers and way too [varied amounts of resources per individual], and they will fight and establish a pecking order eventually. This has nothing to do with how the same species would behave in the wild and with enough resources to live comfortably.

        I grew up in the country with tens of acres and my nearest neighbor was a mile away. Separated from the small town nearby by a river and surrounded by thick hedgerows going miles around in every direction, with a huge open space (fields) between our house and the hedgerows. I’ve never been happy in the city. No matter where I am, I feel like I’m in a cage. I’m not agoraphobic but there’s a sense of being ‘watched’ when I leave my house that just isn’t there when you live in a remote area. All the people, sights, sounds, smells can be incredibly overwhelming at times.

        I am only capable of attaining a true level of peace when I’m in nature.

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          yeah no this is a bad take, humans are arguably the single most social species on earth and cities are where almost everyone lives for a damn good reason.

          It’s not healthy for most people to live isolated in the countryside, we need a community to maintain mental health.

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            You’re looking at it very black and white, as if you can’t live in a peaceful more remote area but still visit with friends and have them over, socialize at work, etc. After all, if you live in a city you don’t live with or talk to all the people you see, they’re just there, noise in the background.

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    I mean if you believed that shit in the first place you’re probably not going to believe this post eh

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    Ironically its that they don’t have “alphas” in the wild because they just separate and leave each other alone…

    For humans in school, prisons, and even just work environments we’re a lot more like captive wolves than wild

    This terminology arose from research done on captive wolf packs in the mid-20th century—but captive packs are nothing like wild ones, Mech says. When keeping wolves in captivity, humans typically throw together adult animals with no shared kinship. In these cases, a dominance hierarchy arises, Mech adds, but it’s the animal equivalent of what might happen in a human prison, not the way wolves behave when they are left to their own devices.

    That being said, any person describing themselves as an alpha is usually a big piece of shit.

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      I actually met and interviewed Mech some years ago while working on a story regarding wolves in Oregon. He was a kind and very approachable person.

      Fun fact; his name is pronounced “Meech,” not “mech” as in “mechanic.”

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      Personally, I like the “alpha as in new software” approach: Alpha version = unstable, missing important features, filled with flaws, prone to breakdown and not fit for the public.

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    These days, the only people still using this debunked wolf talk are douchebros, chuds, & incels.

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        I don’t know what you’ve heard about me, but I can assure you that I have never had a wolf inside me. I’ve never been inside a wolf either. There was that one time I was drunk at a hotel where a furry convention was going on, but I don’t think that really counts.

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      Well, if one of the very rare wolf packs left in the wild decided to actually attack a human, yes it would.

      Not necessarily because of the whole alpha misinformation being corrected, but it would mean you’d know something about their behavior and how to deal with them.

      Mind you, a wolf attacking a human isn’t exactly common. They have to be starving usually.

      And, yes, that’s partially poking fun at you, but it’s also true. Understanding the behaviors of animals tends to improve outcomes of encounters. For example, using body language correctly can deter the local feral dog packs that have mixed with coyote. If you read up enough, watch video footage of canine responses to each other away from captivity, you can learn how to behave like something they don’t want to attack in the first place by neither challenging them or triggering prey drive.

      If some idiot tried to act “alpha” when facing canines in numbers is likely to get you attacked. It might work on single dogs, but wouldn’t against a pack

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    Alpha hyenas, however, those are definitely real. But they’re boss babes so the PUAs can’t work with that