For my “convenience” and because in this way they can show ads and clickbait

Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???

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    As someone running a windows 10 update right now that I procrastinated to let install I am now having a bad day already. Can’t wait for this to happen to my pc!

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      isn’t WINE for running windows only stuff on linux? or is the software you use actually utilizing some windows specific API?

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          absolutely agree on that last part. but yeah, apparently valve really accelerated the development of those translation layers for the steam deck.

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            For regular gaming experiences, WINE and Proton are brilliant. For some .NET stuff it’s still lacking. On WINE, MusicBee for example lacks proper CJK font redirection and dragging the tabs on it causes MusicBee to throw errors. You might also run into issues gaming if you have certain setups + controllers too.

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              For some .NET stuff it’s still lacking.

              .NET runs natively on Linux now. so newer apps should work fine unless they’re using Windows-specific APIs. For the legacy .NET Framework 4.x, they should work in Mono.

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              .NET stuff

              Have you tried using mono? It does winforms by now though apps doing direct Win32 API calls (bypassing the actual .NET stuff) are iffy no matter what.

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      Could it be possible to place a read-only dummy .exe in its place? I think FS attributes should be respected by the update process.

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        They ought to be. You might have to change ownership of the file to some other local user (and disable permission inheritance for that file so admin can’t touch it), but I bet this would work for most use cases except like a system restore.

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    I literally cannot comprehend how you can use windows without the search bar. Its a total clusterfuck otherwise imo.

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      Whether I want to open a document I open once a week, or a program that I use every day, the search takes a minimum of 10 seconds to turn out a result, after first consulting its server for Firefox websites. It is useless beyond useless.

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        Idk about docs and stuff but for apps the win button-appname-return sequence is pretty much a matter of 1-2 seconds for me

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      Even if you hide the search bar, you can hit the windows key and start typing your search query. The search bar doesn’t have to constantly take up screen real estate in the taskbar.

      Hence why I always hide it on my systems.

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        Yeah didn’t know that the function you are describing is the exact way i use it

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      it’s a useless duplicate that takes useful screen estate. You can open the start menu, and if you start typing, the search bar appears. It doesn’t need to waste 20% of the taskbar for that

      But anyway, the search is broken. It gives priority to web searches, so if you want to search “libreoffice”, to open “libreoffice writer”, it suggests “libreoffice download” which is pointless. I replaced it with “powertoys run” and now i get useful results.

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        Aaah i see what you mean even though i dont really care about taskbar real estate off with its head.

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        some people don’t know that, and it isn’t made obvious, so having it by default on is great i think… but, enabling it at random for no reason? that’s ridiculous

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    the only reason I’m still using windows is for my simulators and race sims and better setup compatibility. X-Plane works on Linux but even though the flight model is better on X-plane the sounds and graphics of Microsoft Flight sim it’s hard to go back. I say this because I actually need them for my work. other than that Linux all the way.

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    really looking forward to getting another SSD and just installing linux on it so I don’t have to deal with that kind of bullshit anymore. The bullshit I will be dealing with will not be privacy related, just compatibility related.

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          My gaming rig is running Nobara Project right now and I’d highly recommend it for gaming centric use.

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          I set up a test rig with Fedora to see how the gaming went and didn’t have any issues with Steam or a handful of AAA games. Of note though, my test machine has an AMD GPU so I didn’t have to deal with any Nvidia driver shenanigans.

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          I cannot strongly recommend enough pop_os. For reference, it was my last distro of choice, but its been my all time favorite out of 10+ I’ve tried in 2 years

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      That’s probably the best way to try it. First get comfy and still have a fallback solution if you don’t like it.

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      italian, it says “we added back the search bar on the taskbar, keep or cancel?” If you click anywhere else except the grey “annulla” button, for example you click on the desktop, it assumes “yes i love the search bar, keep it”, and is set back to the state microsoft wanted to be.

      From an update downloaded last night

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        Thanks. I tried Spanish and Portuguese and it made no sense.

        Italian still makes no sense. I don’t understand the OP.

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          The ? search has been added to the application bar. Do you want to keep this change?

          Keep | Cancel

          I think the thing that I marked with ? just says box (so search box), but I am not 100% sure.

          Hopefully this helps and I haven’t fucked up the transation, I has been a long time since I last spoke Italian.

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    Also: I SET A FUCKING GROUP POLICY THAT DISABLES THE SEARCH BAR; WHY THEY FUCKING IGNORE IT???****

    because you dont own your pc. microfrost does

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          if you refer to the hardware as “PC” then you are wrong, the OS utilizes the hardware and uses it. it cannot destroy it, and even if it could by using a lot of resources, “controlling” is the wrong word here. Microsoft owns the OS, not your computer and/or its hardware

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            control is the perfect word for it. they control the hardware. doesnt mean necessarily that they can break it but they can do anything physically possible with it.

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      I am sure they just replaced the gpo with another one and accidentally forgot to carry over the setting.

      They new one is totally better though and will improve your experience. You should configure it.

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    When using Microsoft products and accepting their incomprehensible terms and conditions, you have no say and your opinion doesn’t matter.

    Group policy doesn’t matter, domain administrator, GPO rules, all of it- none of it matters.

    You’ll get dogshit and you will like it. (Friendly reminder that it was extremely overpriced also) That’s the tax you pay for being in their horrible, horrible “ecosystem” from hell. Enjoy! Grease up or take it dry, you’re “taking it” either way.

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    I switched to Linux after this sort of tricks.

    They also will fuck with your “privacy and security settitings” on updates.

    If you try blocking search and start pinging home. It will make windows endleally spazz which causes stuttering in games.

    They forced me to switch to Linux pretty much

    Thanks satya microshit…

    Imagine treating a paying customer like this

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      One thing I did was go through hoops to disable the bing searches from the menu.

      Instead I should have switched to linux long ago.

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        If you buy a computer with Windows, you’re paying for it as a part of the price.

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        People like you is why they do this shit in the first place. The entitlement of wanting products for free basically forces companies like Microsoft to become the huge advertisement pushing cunts that they are now.

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          They do it because of greed and the everlasting thirst of large companies to grow bigger and bigger.

          They literally gave Windows 10 and 11 away for free if you had Windows 7 or 8.

          Many if not most people pay for Windows in the form of licensing costs included in the price of a device, mainly laptops. Most laptops come with Windows preinstalled, and Microsoft earns with every laptop sold with Windows preinstalled. People building their own PC and getting an OEM key for cheap off of eBay or pasting a one-liner into PowerShell are the minority.

          Do you really expect people to go out of their way to purchase a retail Windows license when they already have a perfectly valid and activated version of Windows preinstalled on their device?

          And now that Windows 10/11 is a nice mix of adware, bloatware, nagware and spyware, do you really think it’s worth $199 (for the “Pro” version)?

          It’s a business model Microsoft deliberately chose. Guess what? They were doing just fine before doing what they do now, despite of a few “software pirates”.

          I’d happily pay even a subscription fee for Windows if Microsoft didn’t try to shove their crap down my throat every chance they get.

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            I wouldn’t pay a subscription fee for windows without the bullshit, but that’s partly due to the value of their competition. Without the bullshit though I’d likely be ok with buying a new version every major pc upgrade or if the new edition offered a serious value improvement. Otherwise I’d hold on until such a situation. The move from 10 to 11 was whatever until I got the ads. I’d also probably consider linux every time I have to pay to upgrade. But their bullshit converted me to give it a second chance and I won’t go back. Linux happens to stand on its own merit now.

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          Just to clarify. If you bought a device. The maker aka you paid a fee.

          Person above either using water market version or pirated it but more likely got it pre installed

          Either they don’t understand windows economics with that stupid “comment”

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            Windows 10 was a free upgrade from 7/8. 7/8 was a free upgrade from XP. I mean, XP was installed on something, but I certainly haven’t paid for windows in decades.

            Apparently it’s still a thing:

            https://www.techspot.com/news/100334-microsoft-closes-windows-7-11-free-upgrade-loophole.html

            And if you think about it, why would private customers pay for windows, given it’s loaded with spyware? I’m already paying to use it with my data. No different than using google software.

            Sure, I prefer windows because I’m used to it and I’m lazy, but why pay for something that’s arguably inferior to open source software?

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                You may be right. I seem to remember there being a free upgrade for the visually impaired, but I may be mistaken.

                In any case, I haven’t paid since I first bought this PC, which I’ve continually upgraded for over a decade. Ship of Theseus, basically. IRC because I never bought windows 10, and windows 7 (xp?) licenses weren’t tied to the system, I just used that the one time it asked me to verify my license.

                Seemed pretty obvious microsoft doesn’t actually care about individual users with custom built pcs. They make their money off desktop pc and laptop makers. That and increasingly advertising/data harvesting.

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                  Must’ve been Win7. There were ways to upgrade certain 7 licenses to valid Win 8.x licenses (the infamous Windows 8.x with Media Center) that you could get if you had a viable Win7 license (anything except starter, basic and pro). Win 10 and 11 were free “upgrades” if you had a 7+ key

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              If you think that “private customers” have not paid for it… There is not much to discuss here chief

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          Nah, failure to enforce consumer protection and anti-trust law is why they do this shit in the first place. It doesn’t matter if you paid for it or not; even when you do pay, they exploit you anyway because they can.

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            Yeah cars are one of the most expensive things you’re likely to buy, pull subscription bullshit, and spy on you like crazy, sometimes including your sex life. I pay about a gaming pc of cash upfront for my phone and still get spied on and advertised to by its os.

            And yeah I bought windows a year or so ago because I bought a new motherboard and needed an os and didn’t know linux was this good now. About a hundred bucks and it comes with all this bullshit that drove me to linux

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    I switched to Linux when the “We’ve scheduled your free update to Windows 10!”-like popup started appearing again and again on my Win7 machine even though I disabled it. I didn’t like not having a choice and they only got worse from there. Meanwhile, you have full control over every part of a Linux system. You can even uninstall the update manager if you feel like it.

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      Remove the update manager? Remove the bootloader and all kernels if you want to - you might if you’re preparing a container image, it won’t stop you. Remove glibc and init? Fine, if that’s what you want - might have no need for those if you’re prepping it up for embedded.

      The price of having a computer that does exactly what it’s told is that you have to know what to tell it. But that’s well worth while.

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      They’re getting there with windows 11… first it was ‘hey you’re compatible with windows 11’ now they’ve stepped up to a full screen non-skippable screen a big ‘upgrade to windows 11’ but still with a button to stay on windows 10 hidden in the corner. It’s only a matter of time before that button disappears.

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        I’m almost glad my current hardware doesn’t support Windows 11. No matter how much it tries, it can’t force me to have different hardware.

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          I remember a lot of folks waking up one day to find their system had borked itself overnight installing Win 10 without their permission. It doesn’t matter to Microsoft if it’ll actually work.

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        I tried the Win11 compatibility app once, it said i wasn’t compatible due to some BIOS settings I needed to change. Nah, I’m good, and it hasn’t bugged me to upgrade since.

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          I made mine deliberately incompatible by disabling the fTPM but started getting the upgrade prompts recently.

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      And when you feel really adventurous….

      You can delete the kernel….

      Everybody does it at least once, just to see. Usually it’s just to see. MS support reps still learning the power of grep …. “Where are the backups” is both a question you want to hear … and really don’t want to hear. (At the start, it says they’re… at least thorough… an hour to the end of the patch window… not so much.)